Middle East Conflict

[trueblue1972]

Christ….

To be fair, it has elements of accuracy

 

[Bluemoon_420]

I'm fine - I am just a realist.
Hamas really shouldn't of done what it did if it didn't want any come-back.
They did and the come-back is upon them. Israel has the right to stop Hamas.
It is fucking horrible what is happening to Civilians close to israeli Hamas targets - but Hamas do use Civilians as human shields.
Regardless of what I think though, Israeli politicians (all Jewish parties) truely believe this is an existential threat to Israel's existence and as such it will probably continue, whatever I, you or the collective West think.
I'm not even sure the US could stop them any time soon as the rage in Israel is palpable. Only the evacuation of Hamas fighters somewhere out of Gaza would work and I don't think Hamas would agree to that and I'm not sure any one would agree to take them.

Do you realise how dangerous a precedence this sets? It was Israel who decided the best way to take out a terror organisation was to indiscriminately bomb a city, killing thousands in the process, and displacing millions. At what point is it acceptable to start holding them culpable? Once a million are dead? Once the entire city is ethnically cleansed? Or have we decided that whatever consequences this point on, no matter the human cost or scale of suffering inflicted by those in the position of power, are infinitely the fault of Hamas?

Where’s the condemnation towards Israel from little Rishi and Co. for the illegal occupation, the settler terrorism, the WB apartheid, and the suffocating Gaza blockade? Where was the appropriate condemnation and action in response to that prior to Oct 7th? Or do we just consider that to be a palatable status quo. There was practically none prior to the terror attack, not only that but they were protected and absolved from any condemnation of it. What makes you think that'll change now or after Hamas are gone?

 

[bluethrunthru]

Does that justify the killing of those civilians? Not in my book.

It's not as if it's "a few" civilians. Thousands upon thousands upon thousands of them. Its absolutely not on, under any circumstances. Those are not the actions of a supposed civilised state in the 21st century.

I remember when Saddam took hostages and used them as human shields. Did the coalition forces bomb the sites where they were held regardless of the circumstances. Did they fuck. Then again that was probably born out of humanity and not a blood lust. Have you noticed that HAMAS are holding hostages and every night IDF forces hit hundreds of targets and kill at least one HAMAS leader a night. Whats the chances they have done that and not killed any hostages too? Whats the chances they know that but won't reveal it?

 

[Ducado]

What about the other option.
That niggling doubt that there isn’t an exit strategy and there won’t be 2 million people to cater for because they’ll be cleansed from the land and any rebuilding will be done for new settlers eventually, but will probably never happen because of the WW3 that just started.

It’s just another option.

They have been told in no uncertain terms that this is line they can’t cross as much as they would like too

 

[BlueAnorak]

Can anyone tell me what they think the Israeli exit strategy is? Because if they know can they let the Israelis and the world know, it would help if the right wing loons in charge would actually speak with one voice at the moment they are saying different things, perhaps it’s because they are flying blind

Get rid of Hamas, OK who will rule Gaza, Fatah? They have said no, the other Arab countries, not on your Nelly, the US and NATO absolutely no way would public opinion stand for it, so let’s say the Israelis reach their objective? Can they just withdraw and leave anarchy? The questions are mounting, the only option is to occupy the strip, but that will leave them responsible for two million people and occupation means resistance

I believe theses questions are being discussed all over the world, and in the cold light of day governments are realising that this is a huge mess and strategic error

The best hope of a way out is a comprehensive peace deal with a viable state for the Palestinians with a land link to Gaza, could the right wingers actually have given the Palestinians what they never wanted to give, because the other options are too painful to contemplate

I have no idea. I'm not sure Israel knows either.
They certainly seem to be working on a decapitation strategy judging by the number of senior HAMAS leaders they've kiilled or have apparantly surrounded.
I suspect it could be as simple as take out as many Hamas fighters and leaders as they can, destroy as many missiles and tunnels as they can then depart leaving a wasteland behind for western charities and the UN to sort out.
I hope it isn't but it certainly could be.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

 

[dublinblue12]

Fair play to her

 

[Bluemoon_420]

To be fair, it has elements of accuracy

Yeah of course it does if you hold racist and dehumanising views towards Palestinians.

How is this any different to anti-Semitic cartoons published during the 1930’s in Europe? You’d be having kittens if something as vile as this was posted about Jewish/Israeli folk.

 

[inchy14]

Can anyone tell me what they think the Israeli exit strategy is? Because if they know can they let the Israelis and the world know, it would help if the right wing loons in charge would actually speak with one voice at the moment they are saying different things, perhaps it’s because they are flying blind

Get rid of Hamas, OK who will rule Gaza, Fatah? They have said no, the other Arab countries, not on your Nelly, the US and NATO absolutely no way would public opinion stand for it, so let’s say the Israelis reach their objective? Can they just withdraw and leave anarchy? The questions are mounting, the only option is to occupy the strip, but that will leave them responsible for two million people and occupation means resistance

I believe theses questions are being discussed all over the world, and in the cold light of day governments are realising that this is a huge mess and strategic error

The best hope of a way out is a comprehensive peace deal with a viable state for the Palestinians with a land link to Gaza, could the right wingers actually have given the Palestinians what they never wanted to give, because the other options are too painful to contemplate

There won’t be an exit strategy, they’ll push south, build a new border, populate the lads they’ve taken and just leave the Palestinian people in a smaller area.

 

[mexico1970]

Yeah of course it does if you hold racist and dehumanising views towards Palestinians.

How is this any different to anti-Semitic cartoons published during the 1930’s in Europe? You’d be having kittens if something as vile as this was posted about Jewish/Israeli folk.

Are Israel using citizens as human shields?