Middle East Conflict

[bluethrunthru]

Are you talking about Hamas or Islamic Jihad?

The news reports showed Hamas digging up water pipes and blaming Hamas for a lack of water that Israel had cut off

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

So what people are saying is it could be hamas or Isreal. But Hamas haven't hit a hospital before and Isreal have is that right but on smaller scale, plus they have bombed a school, plus an evacuation convoy. And levelled whole residential areas.

The issue is based on their recent track record and the damage and death toll they have exacated already in Gaza nothing the IDF says is going to be believed.

 

[meltonblue]

It seems crazy on the face of it that it exploded in mid air, and only a piece of it fell on the hospital, and still that was enough to do 100x the human damage that any other rocket fired from Gaza has ever done.

I'm not saying it's wrong, it just seems a bit of a stretch to believe.

Until there’s independent people on the ground assessing it I doubt we’ll know for sure. I can think of valid reasons to not believe either side though, any of this is a stretch to believe as the whole thing is unbelievable really if you think of the mass loss of lives due to two sets of untrustworthy utter bastards in charge who are more interested in a propaganda battle rather than taking their own accountability.

Whoever did it, they just killed hundreds of people who were in what should be a protected space for the most vulnerable people in society. We shouldn’t actually be needing to prove who did it, if they had even an ounce of morality they’d own up to it, whether they did it by mistake or not.

 

[Metal Biker]

So what people are saying is it could be hamas or Isreal. But Hamas haven't hit a hospital before and Isreal have is that right but on smaller scale, plus they have bombed a school, plus an evacuation convoy. And levelled whole residential areas.

The issue is based on their recent track record and the damage and death toll they have exacated already in Gaza nothing the IDF says is going to be believed.

No, people are saying it could be Palestinian Islamic Jihad or Israel. Hamas aren't being mentioned by people and if they are, they're incorrect.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

It fires the Badr-3 rocket.

I don't believe that thing could fire 300kg to 400kg warheads, With that diameter. Maybe 50 to 100kg. It doesn't look big enough diameter wise for the Badr 3 things.

 

[Scottyboi]

So what people are saying is it could be hamas or Isreal. But Hamas haven't hit a hospital before and Isreal have is that right but on smaller scale, plus they have bombed a school, plus an evacuation convoy. And levelled whole residential areas.

The issue is based on their recent track record and the damage and death toll they have exacated already in Gaza nothing the IDF says is going to be believed.

Yep, regardless of who has done it the result is loads of innocent people dead, Hezbollah calling for a day of rage, Arab leaders cancelling talks with Biden and riots outside Israeli embassy's. Has probably escalated this to another level now.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

No, people are saying it could be Palestinian Islamic Jihad or Israel. Hamas aren't being mentioned and if they are, it's incorrect.

Either way Isreal are going to get blamed by 99% of the Arab world.

 

[meltonblue]

Worth reading the whole of that thread and what the reporter he quotes subsequently puts, it came up earlier in this convo.

 

[Metal Biker]

I don't believe that thing could fire 300kg to 400kg warheads, With that diameter. Maybe 50 to 100kg. It doesn't look big enough diameter wise for the Badr 3 things.

Well, it does. It's the Fajr-3 MLRS. That's what it is designed to do.
It can fire the Fajr-3 rocket, with a yield of 90kg, and the Badr-3, which has a yield of between 300 and 400kg.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I never realised there were so many weapons experts on here.
I’m not saying none of you know what you’re talking about. I’m sure some of you do, but like the Ukraine thread, I just switch off as I personally can’t take any confirmation of who’s responsible for the atrocity we’re talking about from Bluemoon weaponry expertise, no more than I can from Twitter.

And I realise that’s as much to do with my own ignorance on the subject.
But I think applying the same standards universally on here and being aware of our own shortcomings rather than being experts at everything, has its own wisdom.

I’ll wait a few days for independent confirmation.

 

[Ducado]

So what people are saying is it could be hamas or Isreal. But Hamas haven't hit a hospital before and Isreal have is that right but on smaller scale, plus they have bombed a school, plus an evacuation convoy. And levelled whole residential areas.

The issue is based on their recent track record and the damage and death toll they have exacated already in Gaza nothing the IDF says is going to be believed.

That’s the top and tail of it

I mean some of blood curdling talk by Israeli politicians recently they have been threatening this, they are now going to find out what happens when trash talk becomes reality

It’s a mess and again innocents are being caught up, both Jews and Arabs, how much more death and destruction do they all need

 

[urban genie]

Just spent 15 minutes reading through that geoconfirmed twitter and it all seems like guesswork and speculation based on other tweets and hopefully having the locations 100% accurate in a war zone rather than concrete confirmation.
On an aside apparently the former head of Turkish Inteligence and a claimed post from the Wall Street Journal have reported it was an MK-84 bomb.

The truth will never come out though and both will claim it is the other, and many people will believe who is telling the truth based on their own leanings, unfortunately the only thing that matters is 100s of inocent people have died needlessly because of the acts of cunts

 

[Metal Biker]

Either way Isreal are going to get blamed by 99% of the Arab world.

Since we don't know officially what happened, it would be regretful for people all over the world to immediately jump to that conclusion without knowing the facts first.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Would rather sunack stayed out of this shit show after todays events. Or if he does go to the middle east he needs to show some proper diplomacy and not just back Isreal to the hilt, visit other Arab cohntries. Call for an end to all hostility, the return of hostages and the end of the blockade of Gaza. Otherwise he will just encourage terrorist acts back in the UK.

 

[IrishBlueSince92]

Netenyahu’s spokesperson claimed the attack straight away citing that Hamas members and weaponry were being hidden in the hospital, then deleted it and came up with some fantasy story.

Then the video that they used allegedly proving it wasn’t them had a time stamp on it 40 minutes after the attack.

The epitome of evil, facilitated by the west

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Since we don't know officially what happened, it would be regretful for people all over the world to immediately jump to that conclusion without knowing the facts first.

True but you have to be very naive to believe anything other than what I have said isn't going to happen.

 

[cleavers]

Since we don't know officially what happened, it would be regretful for people all over the world to immediately jump to that conclusion without knowing the facts first.

Sadly they will, on both sides.

 

[Metal Biker]

True but you have to be very naive to believe anything other than what I have said isn't going to happen.

Which is why I said it is regretful that hate is blinding people's search for the truth.

 

[Scottyboi]

@The blue phantom Looks like he did send that tweet now, proof from the man himself.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Well, it does. It's the Fajr-3 MLRS. That's what it is designed to do.
It can fire the Fajr-3 rocket, with a yield of 90kg, and the Badr-3, which has a yield of between 300 and 400kg.

It doesn't stack up I'm afraid, you check out pictures of the Badr3 they won't fit in those small launch tubes on that truck. Anyway it's all pretty much irrelevant.