Milner>>>>>Barry

[dancity19]

The fundamental flaw in your logic to me, Anton, is that Milner is as slow as Barry. And his vision is poorer in my opinion. He doesn't need to get forward as part of the holding two, either.

But if we go 4-4-2 I do agree that his energy would make him more effective than Barry.

One thing I do know is that Milner is a waste of space in a wide role. His delivery's ok but his lack of pace and penchant for running down blind alleys renders him largely useless there in my opinion.

Nobody in the World is as slow as Barry. His vision is actually very good, just his final ball when often a simple one can sometimes be lacking, but over recent weeks i've seen Barry give away simple balls aswell. With Milner and Yaya in the team, both can go forward, both can drop in to form a solid bank of 3. Whereas Barry is too one dimensional and is is a big factor in our slow play which often leads to an inability to break teams down

If Milner rediscovers his form from Villa, then I think I would go with him- more energy and more goals ( no this doesn't make a player, but it is good to get goals from midfield.) Barry, however, is having a good season on the whole. The only players in the team who are indespensible, in my opinion, are Kompany, De Jong, Silva, Tevez, and on his day Yaya Toure. Toure, however blows hot and cold. Barrys long passing and vision is superior to Milners at the moment, but Milner displayed a great range of Passing at Villa.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Nobody in the World is as slow as Barry

Erm...

Seriously, I understand what you are saying but to me your logic only fits with a two man midfield. With our system we don't need or ask the holding two to bomb forward. They are there to break up play and distribute.

 

[jay_mcfc]

The fundamental flaw in your logic to me, Anton, is that Milner is as slow as Barry. And his vision is poorer in my opinion. He doesn't need to get forward as part of the holding two, either.

But if we go 4-4-2 I do agree that his energy would make him more effective than Barry.

One thing I do know is that Milner is a waste of space in a wide role. His delivery's ok but his lack of pace and penchant for running down blind alleys renders him largely useless there in my opinion.

In no way, shape or form is Milner as slow as Barry. The difference that Milner brings is an engine and that is something we miss and need to put right at some point. Gerrard, Fabregas, Fletcher and Lampard; none of them are the fastest players in the world but they have an engine capable of getting them box-to-to box and playing that key role in the middle of the park even when those teams have 3 in the middle. Milner had his best season to date last season when he played in the middle and if we don't give him a chance there soon he'll be an expensive flop here.

 

[baggy]

Milner displayed a great range of Passing at Villa.

At Villa he had an almost 'Gerrard' type role though didnt he? He was awesome that season for Villa but he hasnt had the opportunity to play in such a role at his time at City.

For me, Milners best game this season was where he did have this type of role in the FA Cup game away at Leicester.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Mate, you're not seeing the point here. You only use "box to box" midfielders with a 4-4-2.

So if you want to see the best from Milner we have to change system. I'd argue the same applies to a few of our players including Ya Ya, Johnson and I'd even throw in Tevez and Dzeko.

 

[AntonDonJuan]

Nobody in the World is as slow as Barry

Erm...

Seriously, I understand what you are saying but to me your logic only fits with a two man midfield. With our system we don't need or ask the holding two to bomb forward. They are there to break up play and distribute.

Barry is ideal for close games against teams that we need a sloid bank of midfielders willing to hold shape and stay disciplined. Playing against a 4-4-2 negates the need for 2 direct holding midfielders, especially weaker teams. We keep possesion, but are left with 4 players going forward at any one point, far too predictable. Milner will stay disciplined and hold position, but will arrive late and bring another option into our play, especially the cut back to the edge of the box

 

[jay_mcfc]

Mate, you're not seeing the point here. You only use "box to box" midfielders with a 4-4-2.

So if you want to see the best from Milner we have to change system. I'd argue the same applies to a few of our players including Ya Ya, Johnson and I'd even throw in Tevez and Dzeko.

Not true. Fabregas does it, Fletcher does it, Gerrard does it, Lampard and Essien do it all in teams that very often play 3 in the middle.

 

[PaulPowerShower]

i don't really understand what Milner does to be honest.....

he seems to do everything a 6 / 10 rather than one thing a 9 /10

 

[AntonDonJuan]

i don't really understand what Milner does to be honest.....

he seems to do everything a 6 / 10 rather than one thing a 9 /10

As appose to Barry who does everything 6/10, at one pace (super slow) and offers less then Milner

 

[dancity19]

i don't really understand what Milner does to be honest.....

he seems to do everything a 6 / 10 rather than one thing a 9 /10

As appose to Barry who does everything 6/10, at one pace (super slow) and offers less then Milner

Barry has been decent this season (barring Villa.) Whilst I want to see Milner given a go in the centre to offer more energy, I think you severely underrate Barry.