Milner [Merged]

[tonea2003]

and?

 

[Bart]

so your Billionaire owner who is a yank and a billionaire and a yank and a billionaire and a yank..is really a local lad from Birmingham who got the club for free and has spent no money at all .

Hypocrisy of the highest order !!

See your point, and I don't like the way we throw money around either. It's not the amount you're spending that's my issue, it's the concept that people can spend what they want. Obviously the wealthiest sides will outspend others, but it's this system that has to be changed. If caps was introduced, and clubs had to focus more on homegrown talent it would be for the better IMO.

 

[Tez Tosterone]

Here a flavour of what some Villa fans are saying about the speculation surrounding the James Milner situation.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.villatalk.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=61243&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=4320" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.villatalk.com/index.php?name ... start=4320</a>

 

[BlueInBury]

Real was basically saved by the goverment though, so it kinda showed it wasn't sustainable.
Chelsea is a tricky one. But they set it off so they would obviously be given the chance. No doubt you as well will be given a go as well, but everyone knows its just a matter of time before more clubs are bought by filthy rich people. And the English game will suffer. Football clubs throughout the nation with loads of history wont be capable of competing, and its happening right now. French, Italian and German clubs will find it even harder. And looking at Barcelona they are in the shit themselves atm. Do you really think UEFA will let this system go on for the next 20 years? I just cant see it at all. The French will do everything they can to limit the pulling power of the English league, and Im kinda glad for it.
What made football so great was watching academy kids coming through. Lads from your own area. Not watching world 11 fighting world 11. And this is where I could point out why the English national side is so shit, and why the Spanish, German and French are far better, but thats another debate.

Thats what football is all about though. There are plenty of clubs with shit loads of history and tradition who haven't achieved for years, with City being the shining example. Look at Newcastle, Spurs, even Nottingham Forrest and clubs like Sheff Weds. This has all happened whilst united and arsenal have dominated football in this country but that never seems to have been a problem. Football success comes in waves and phases, every club goes through the shit times and the good times. Now its our turn and I don't care how it happens!

 

[RandyBlue]

Third top assists last season, just behind Fabregas.

If he was called Milninho or Van Milner or even Millotelli he would be accepted

;-)

Tell me about it, it's astonishing. I'm pretty sure the same people who didn't want Bellers are the same that don't want Milner. Not a lot of football knowledge swilling around their noggins.

He's creative, versatile and scores the odd goal - what's not to like? (Apart from his square Max Headroom head). And he's a proven premier league game-changer. They're not ten-a-penny.

 

[tonea2003]

so your Billionaire owner who is a yank and a billionaire and a yank and a billionaire and a yank..is really a local lad from Birmingham who got the club for free and has spent no money at all .

Hypocrisy of the highest order !!

See your point, and I don't like the way we throw money around either. It's not the amount you're spending that's my issue, it's the concept that people can spend what they want. Obviously the wealthiest sides will outspend others, but it's this system that has to be changed. If caps was introduced, and clubs had to focus more on homegrown talent it would be for the better IMO.

if people have the money why can't they spend what they want
the bigger clubs have always have more money
e.g you have more money than walsall

 

[richards30]

so your Billionaire owner who is a yank and a billionaire and a yank and a billionaire and a yank..is really a local lad from Birmingham who got the club for free and has spent no money at all .

Hypocrisy of the highest order !!

See your point, and I don't like the way we throw money around either. It's not the amount you're spending that's my issue, it's the concept that people can spend what they want. Obviously the wealthiest sides will outspend others, but it's this system that has to be changed. If caps was introduced, and clubs had to focus more on homegrown talent it would be for the better IMO.

thing about it is though mate we can spend what we want!!!! but to be honest we dont go flashing the cash to show off its the media that make our finances a circus!!!! if we want a player dont forget its the selling club that makes the prices obscene these days!! every player we have bought we have paid over the odds for besides aj so to counter your arguement havent we helped other clubs??

 

[ST Coleridge]

every player we have bought we have paid over the odds for besides aj so to counter your arguement havent we helped other clubs??

This is a good point too. Bart, because of Milner's great performances last season, it was likely that a top four club (United, Liverpool and Chelsea have all been mooted in the past) would make enquiries, he would have his head turned, etc, etc. At least with the 'City Premium', you'll be getting about £5m - £7m more for him.

That's in the short term, obviously. Longer-term, I completely share your enthusiasm for the proposed wage caps. I don't think it goes far enough, though. It just means that clubs can't spend more than they earn - the top five or six will still earn (and thus spend) more than everyone else, but no-one will be able to take a gamble, borrow some money and push for top four.

 

[DontLookBackInAnger]

Villa Park is a great place and a classic example of how to upgrade an old ground, even if a new place is really the better option. Compare that with a dump like the shithole Everton play in and you can see a right way and a wrong way of moving forward, alittle like the two clubs.

 

[Bart]

Am I the only one who thinks it looks quite nice? Never been to Villa Park, but now I long to visit. That picture seems to commandeer my every thought.

On the subject of 'We're ruining football' (again) -

Bart, surely you can see how hard it is to break the top four? It's only been achieved twice in recent seasons, and the reason for that is the financial Catch 22 - you can't buy the best players and make top four without the CL money, and you can't have the CL money until you make top four.

Sad to say, a rich benefactor was the only way that the top four was going to be broken up, and it will be a better league for it.

Incidentally, Bart, if you're still here, where would you like the Milner money spent? I'm not sure Villa fans would be super-chuffed with Parker, but there's certainly a need for another central midfielder (if, indeed, Milner eventually goes).

Yeah I have no problems with somebody breaking into the top 4, and you won't find stronger hatred in any club then Villa I reckon when it comes to the monopoly of CL money. I just feel the sport, football as a whole, people,fans, national sides, everyone would benefit from a new system. Football was once a sport for the working class, something you could identify with and spend a life time cheering on. Now it's all gotten rotten IMO. Don't get me wrong, I don't buy the shit about United "earning" their way to spending the money they have spent. United spent fucking truck loads of money on wages and players even in the years they weren't successful. It's always had this problem were rich clubs outspend others, but now it's gotten to the stage where maybe something can be done with it. And I honestly fear for the very essence of football if things aren't changed. Lee Hendrie, if anyone actually remember him, epitomise what the game should be about and what I really hate about it. Everything in one 1.70 orange package. He was an overpaid shit, without manners or any idea how real life is. A little prick basically living the life of kings cause he could kick football. Throwing drinks at fans, spitting, acting up everything you can imagine. Yet on the football pitch he showed a joy of an 8 year old when scoring. He really was one of us right then, and the joy he showed is something I haven't seen in anybody except Gazza and Mellberg. Guess I got a bit sidetracked here, but really hope you see where Im coming from.

As for replacements for Milner, well I don't know tbh. It's a shame to lose Jimmy, not because he's such a great footballer, but more because I like him as a character. Honest footballers are hard to come by these days. I've seen links to Parker, Flamini, Witsel and some guy from Anderlect, but I don't know. Flamini would be ace, but can't see him coming to us.<br /><br />-- Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:17 am --<br /><br />

thing about it is though mate we can spend what we want!!!! but to be honest we dont go flashing the cash to show off its the media that make our finances a circus!!!! if we want a player dont forget its the selling club that makes the prices obscene these days!! every player we have bought we have paid over the odds for besides aj so to counter your arguement havent we helped other clubs??

Exactly! That's why something needs to be done. It shouldn't be possible now to spend what you want on transfers, or hand out the wages you want. Not only from a competetive view, not only for talking morale, but for the very essence of football. IMO.

 

[RandyBlue]

Exactly! That's why something needs to be done. It shouldn't be possible now to spend what you want on transfers, or hand out the wages you want. Not only from a competetive view, not only for talking morale, but for the very essence of football. IMO.

They tried Communism, mate. Nice idea in theory but it didn't work.

 

[dref619]

i like the idea of capping money in football, but because of its media evolution into the top sport in the world imo, itl never happen.
look at the nba, the nfl, mlb, they al pay ridiculous amounts of money to their players in wages, and it wont stop with football, because nobody in fifa, the fa, in football world wide has the bottle to stand up for the game, because of all the money sponsors pump into it

 

[m27]

Exactly! That's why something needs to be done. It shouldn't be possible now to spend what you want on transfers, or hand out the wages you want. Not only from a competetive view, not only for talking morale, but for the very essence of football. IMO.

They tried Communism, mate. Nice idea in theory but it didn't work.

I tell you what, if Andy Burnham still wielded any power in the world of sport he would have eventually come up with a system that meant everyone had the same amount of money to spend just so his beloved Everton could 'compete'. But that's another story.....

 

[Bart]

Exactly! That's why something needs to be done. It shouldn't be possible now to spend what you want on transfers, or hand out the wages you want. Not only from a competetive view, not only for talking morale, but for the very essence of football. IMO.

They tried Communism, mate. Nice idea in theory but it didn't work.

A more suitable comparison would be the competition act.

 

[ST Coleridge]

Exactly! That's why something needs to be done. It shouldn't be possible now to spend what you want on transfers, or hand out the wages you want. Not only from a competetive view, not only for talking morale, but for the very essence of football. IMO.

They tried Communism, mate. Nice idea in theory but it didn't work.

Yeah, but in the US, where they totally don't dig Communism, they're obsessed with parity in their sports. Last place in the league gets first pick of the next season's college draft, they have wage caps and so on. It's geared to making the game competitive, and thus exciting to watch.

Look at Rangers and Celtic, where financial dominance has continued towards it's natural conclusion - is that an attractive model?

It's tricky, because without the wealth we wouldn't be able to compete with the top four. But that's the system's fault, not ours.

I'm actually a bit ignorant with regard to the proposed new regulations, can anyone here clarify the gist of it? Is it simply that no club can spend more than it earns? And does this include the servicing of debt?

 

[banbury_blue]

i like the idea of capping money in football, but because of its media evolution into the top sport in the world imo, itl never happen.
look at the nba, the nfl, mlb, they al pay ridiculous amounts of money to their players in wages, and it wont stop with football, because nobody in fifa, the fa, in football world wide has the bottle to stand up for the game, because of all the money sponsors pump into it

I can't understand why everyone always throws the NFL, NHL, NBA and MLB as examples of how salary caps work etc, It is not applicable to football, simply because all the organisations that are suggested are closed networks within the US (and okay Canada) The simple premise being that all the money is shared between the 30 or so teams that feature within the league/ organisation.

Football could never do this due to the fact that it is WORLDWIDE, yes there is a governing body in Fifa but that is as far as it goes. To even think of trying to implement this would be carnage, what figure would you try and cap it at? the legal implications would work and it would dilute the quality of leagues around the world

 

[Bart]

Good points that STC

 

[RandyBlue]

They tried Communism, mate. Nice idea in theory but it didn't work.

A more suitable comparison would be the competition act.

The EU is based upon the principle of free movement of people and capital. Any moves to restrict such movement would be unconstitutional. Football evolves - not always for the best, admittedly - and some people will not like the direction in which it evolves. That's tough, I'm afraid.
You can't turn back time.<br /><br />-- Fri Jul 23, 2010 12:45 pm --<br /><br />

They tried Communism, mate. Nice idea in theory but it didn't work.

Yeah, but in the US, where they totally don't dig Communism, they're obsessed with parity in their sports. Last place in the league gets first pick of the next season's college draft, they have wage caps and so on. It's geared to making the game competitive, and thus exciting to watch.

Look at Rangers and Celtic, where financial dominance has continued towards it's natural conclusion - is that an attractive model?

It's tricky, because without the wealth we wouldn't be able to compete with the top four. But that's the system's fault, not ours.

I'm actually a bit ignorant with regard to the proposed new regulations, can anyone here clarify the gist of it? Is it simply that no club can spend more than it earns? And does this include the servicing of debt?

As BB said, the American model is not applicable worldwide.
As for the regulations I recommend this blog - it's very good. Scroll down a way and there's an excellent analysis of what the new regs mean for City - it seems to be quite good news.

<a class="postlink" href="http://swissramble.blogspot.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://swissramble.blogspot.com/</a>

 

[Bart]

EU is a sinking ship though :)

 

[ST Coleridge]

As BB said, the American model is not applicable worldwide.
As for the regulations I recommend this blog - it's very good. Scroll down a way and there's an excellent analysis of what the new regs mean for City - it seems to be quite good news.

<a class="postlink" href="http://swissramble.blogspot.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://swissramble.blogspot.com/</a>

Cheers for the link!

And yeah, I realise that a worldwide salary cap isn't viable. But the Communism thing led me to America, and I have to admit that the enforced parity is something that appeals to me, personally.

In lieu of the college system, I think that England could really benefit from a few FA-run Centres of Excellence, sort of independent academies. I know that Clairefontaine was held aloft as 'the way forward' following France's success at the turn of the century, and that Brooking constantly refers to the need for such an institution. It would also benefit the national team, obviously.