Milner update.

[Marvin]

Thanks for the info.

Two debates going on here:

1) Is he over-priced?

Compare the £25 Million fee to that paid for SWP & Carrick in recent years. It's not off the scale. City are trying to crack the top 4 so it's not our strategy to go and find unearthed gems which we can polish. We are going for proven players.

2) Is he a work-horse?

A work-horse and a player who finished 3rd in the assists table last season, and who can score goals. He can play in a number of positions, and is a great striker and crosser of the ball.

 

[Bart]

Agreed.

A. He's not that good
B. Giving Martin oneill 25m is daft
C. I don't like us getting shafted, no matter how sodding rich we are

What is O'Neill going to do with the money. If there's a better midfielder with the same qualities available for say £10m, why don't we buy them? Is it because they don't exist?

Not sure I get the logic. Why didn't you sign Milner from Newcastle then? There are LOADS of talented midfielders around, you just need a manager to pick them out and give them a proper chance.

 

[waspish]

Milner and Arteta are completely different types of player.

Milner's the workhorse type every team needs. Arteta's the creative playmaker. Yes we lacked both types of player last season but we've addressed the creative lack with Silva so why would we go for another overpriced one. Simple question who is better value Silva at 25 mill or Arteta at 20 Mill +?? considering some Spanish team were going to offer 8 Mill for Arteta?

Look I have no problem with Milner, just the fact he brings us nothing that we don't already have.
Workhorses are on thing that we are not short of Yaya, De jong etc, yet you seem to think that we suddenly have ample cover in creative player?

mmmmmmmm

i am sick of hearing milner is just a workhorse check out his goals and assists for last season if my memory serves me right i think he scored 11 goals in total and had 12 assists not bad for a work horse
compare that with lets say our own nige de jong 0 goals 0 assists granted a different player but still a central midfield player

lets see how he stacks up against players who will play in a similar role to him
gareth barry 4 goals 7 assists
david silva 11 goals 9 assists
yaya toure 1 goal 7 assists
steven gerrard 13 goals 12 assists
andres iniesta 1 goal 7 assists
milner 11 goals 12 assists

not bad stats for milner really when you consider he is just a work horse his stats are up there with the best and that includes silva and gerrard even outshining iniesta so please stop with the "milner is a workhorse and we already have these types at the club" he is a lot more than that

he probably works as hard if not harder than most but he also has a bit of quality were required in the final 3rd he is on his way to becoming a complete footballer which is what a lot on here seem to be missing not just a hard working midfield player[/quote]

Spot on I'm with u! Work horse my arse he's a play maker consistent reliable not injury prone top notch player!

 

[pee dubya]

Milner isn't a playmaker or a workhorse. He's an all round midfielder, not a specialist.

 

[Project]

The only question that needs asking is will he increase the quality of the squad. The answer is yes.

 

[keemcfc]

Look I have no problem with Milner, just the fact he brings us nothing that we don't already have.
Workhorses are on thing that we are not short of Yaya, De jong etc, yet you seem to think that we suddenly have ample cover in creative player?

mmmmmmmm

i am sick of hearing milner is just a workhorse check out his goals and assists for last season if my memory serves me right i think he scored 11 goals in total and had 12 assists not bad for a work horse
compare that with lets say our own nige de jong 0 goals 0 assists granted a different player but still a central midfield player

lets see how he stacks up against players who will play in a similar role to him
gareth barry 4 goals 7 assists
david silva 11 goals 9 assists
yaya toure 1 goal 7 assists
steven gerrard 13 goals 12 assists
andres iniesta 1 goal 7 assists
milner 11 goals 12 assists

not bad stats for milner really when you consider he is just a work horse his stats are up there with the best and that includes silva and gerrard even outshining iniesta so please stop with the "milner is a workhorse and we already have these types at the club" he is a lot more than that

he probably works as hard if not harder than most but he also has a bit of quality were required in the final 3rd he is on his way to becoming a complete footballer which is what a lot on here seem to be missing not just a hard working midfield player

I agree with that but you have to remember he used to be a winger so he's used to getting forward, plus Villa didn't exactly play him as a DM so you can't compare him to de Jong...

I think he'd be a good buy though, but he wouldn't be a definate first choice for me, I'd pick de Jong or SWP over him seeing as we have Yaya T as well.

 

[Anonymous]

one other thing that Milner can do is put in an accurate cross.He's one of the most accurate crossers of a ball in the league from deep positions.
There are very few players from wide areas with the ability to let the ball do the work around in the PL today-lots of sprinters with little end product like Lennon,Walcott and let's face it-SWP-...but I would say we've now got the vast majority of them in our squad....AJ,Silva,and hopefully Milner...nice.

imo Milner is a good player and will contribute more than we currently have.

 

[woolleyback blue]

Why is the use of the description "Workhorse" an insult.

You could use the phrase to describe Gerrard..He's the guy that made Liverpool tick. He was the guy who worked keeping them going when the going got tough.

I'm not insulting Milner when I say he's a workhorse, its merely the most convenient description for his type of player. Doesn't mean they can't be skillful, it simply means they are all action combined with that skill.

 

[Marvin]

What is O'Neill going to do with the money. If there's a better midfielder with the same qualities available for say £10m, why don't we buy them? Is it because they don't exist?

Not sure I get the logic. Why didn't you sign Milner from Newcastle then? There are LOADS of talented midfielders around, you just need a manager to pick them out and give them a proper chance.

The logic is that City want to buy players who can take us from 5th to top 4 inside UEFA's strangulation rules so we can't concentrate on unearthing the next James Milner or Ashley Young, we have to buy players who are already at the top of their game.

City and Villa have different transfer strategies.

 

[Braggster]

Wasn't aware that 'value for money' had suddenly become part of our transfer strategy, when did that happen?
And if you are indicating that the fact he is english somehow adds to his value then let me remind you that we are probably the best placed club in the top flight where englishness is not really an issue now, nor because of our accademy, is it likely to become so in the future.
Now if its value for money you are after then you really must have a good arguement against Ozil then.

IMO Arteta-us, Milner-Spuds and we would be getting the more complete player



Oh and yes better 'value for money'

PMSL. You clearly don't actually understand the definition of 'value for money'...

Quite so. "Price is what you pay, value is what you get"