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MONEY CAN'T BUY THE HEART
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LEE BRADBURY
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What is it with you Italians and your arse upwards English, we need GCHQ to decipher the bleeding message,
I take it your gloating, because that bible bashing cnut is staying until June.
And then he will fcuk off and join Real Madrid, because golden balls has tapped him up.
So enjoy the moment while it lasts,but don’t get rid of the flares and petrol bombs just yet.
I take it your gloating, because that bible bashing cnut is staying until June.
And then he will fcuk off and join Real Madrid, because golden balls has tapped him up.
So enjoy the moment while it lasts,but don’t get rid of the flares and petrol bombs just yet.
BulgarianPride
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Fucking cheating Italian bastards! I can't imagine being near that stadium of yours. I can't stand old people smell!
Ajay
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Money can buy any blackened heart - Milan has effectively held Kaka to ransom - I bet he will repay them with all his heart!
auction294
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Ajay,
I've read your posts with interest . You seem to have a unique insight into the culture of our owners and the environment in which they live. In your opinion, and I must stress that whatever response you may or may not choose to give is quite simply that, your individual opinion; how do you feel the hysterical reaction from the British Media, has been footballers, never has been footballers, pundits, experts and other such numptys regarding the proposed transfer of Kaka to us and the subsequent failure to sign him has affected the owners perception and future intentions?
I'm not thinking of starting up a big mad conspiracy theory of them leaving or other such shite, basically what do you think that they think of it all?
thanks
I've read your posts with interest . You seem to have a unique insight into the culture of our owners and the environment in which they live. In your opinion, and I must stress that whatever response you may or may not choose to give is quite simply that, your individual opinion; how do you feel the hysterical reaction from the British Media, has been footballers, never has been footballers, pundits, experts and other such numptys regarding the proposed transfer of Kaka to us and the subsequent failure to sign him has affected the owners perception and future intentions?
I'm not thinking of starting up a big mad conspiracy theory of them leaving or other such shite, basically what do you think that they think of it all?
thanks
zeusbheld
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alfalahi said:Rossonero said:RICARDO ISEKSON LEITE KAKA' IS A PLAYER OF AC MILAN 1899---THE MOST SUCCESFULLY CLUB IN THE WORLD--- and this is the futur capitain,after the god PAOLO MALDINI----you have wrong adress for spend your fucking arab's money... the mercenaries is in Via Durini (center of FC INTERNAZIONALE )...AC Milan not sells her flags, and the Ac Milan's flags not think to leave this team... Saturday night (Milan-Fiorentina), Ricardo have cray for demonstration of affection by ACMILAN fans...and yesterday, the Ultras Curva Sud was under his appartament, for show him their affection...how could he leave a team as AC Milan to come in a team as yours, governed by this shit's Arabs...in Italy the football is Passion!! I have a suggestion for yours... you make an offer for Zlatan Zingar(rom)himovic, striker of Fc Inter... he would come of run for your money,he is a true mercenary!! SIAM VENUTI FIN QUA----SIAM VENUTI FIN QUA----PER VEDERE SEGNARE KAKA' !!! Best regards by a fan of the most succesfully club in the world (without arab's money)!! Cheers
arabs can buy your club and convert it to pigs farm..!!!!!!!!!!
well no, in order to do that, they'd have to buy Inter as well. neither of them can afford their own stadium so they share San Siro.
Cityfan-Denmark
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Rossonero said:28/05/03 OLD TRAFFORD--MANCHESTER
CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FINAL
AC MILAN 0 - 0 FC JUVENTUS
3 dcr 2
I remember this one... most boring game ever... one shot at goal.. This was the day I realised how boring italian football are...
read this pal...and see excactly what your great club and loyal kaka were up to.
From start to finish, the whole process took 34 days. It was 15 December when Manchester City's executive chairman, Garry Cook, first made contact with Milan. "I'll come out with this straight away," he said over the phone to Adriano Galliani, the club's vice-president. "We want your best player and I'm ringing up to see how much you want for him."
Galliani listened and said he would speak to Silvio Berlusconi, the Âpresident. Later that day, a fax came through to Cook's office. It was signed by Galliani and told him Kaka was available if City "delivered the sum of 200 million". Cook jokingly faxed back: "Is that lira?"
The important thing was that Milan were willing to do business. Cook reported the breakthrough to Sheikh Mansour, the club's owner, and Mark Hughes, the Âmanager. A six-man team, including three lawyers, was put together, and so began the exhaustive process of trying to conclude perhaps the most audacious transfer of all time. So where did it all go wrong and how did it reach the stage that City should get their fingers burned so badly?
Those are questions that Cook was still asking himself yesterday as he and Simon Pearce, Sheikh Mansour's personal envoy, tried to make sense of it all. It has been a chastening experience and has led to concerns about Robinho's future in Manchester, and Cook did not mince his words. "They bottled it," he says of Milan. "We weren't naive. It was just that the world we entered into was unprofessional. We engaged a lot of professional people to take care of this deal. But it was all a bit too sophisticated for Milan."
Milan have been on their own PR Âoffensive, of course. According to the ÂItalians, the decision was purely Kaka's and he chose to turn down City because he could not bear the idea of leaving San Siro. Kaka himself has said it "took only 30 seconds to make up my mind".
Cook's is a very different take. "We never met the player and we simply didn't make an offer [of personal terms] to Kaka," he said. "All of which makes it difficult for us to swallow the suggestion that he rejected Manchester City. There was nothing to reject."
What we can say for certain is that it is a lesson in the complexities of what it is like to negotiate the transfer of a Âgenuine superstar and the minefield of legalities, politics, agents, interpreters and egos.
City, for instance, have documents to show that, by the time the transfer window opened on 1 January, a fee had been agreed for the Brazilian. Milan had slashed their initial asking price to £91m, to be paid in five instalments. A confidentiality agreement had been signed and the vibes were so positive Hughes, had gone as far as planning a new 4–1–4–1 formation, with Kaka playing in his best position as an advanced central midfielder.
By the time Cook boarded a private jet back to Manchester after the first face-to-face talks between himself, other high-ranking City officials and the Milan hierarchy, he and his colleagues were in a celebratory mood. "They [Milan] had made it quite clear that they wanted to sell their prize possession to us," he claims.
But this was only the first part of what Cook calls "a three-stage process" and it is the second phase where it gets increasingly complicated.
First, the story was leaked. Cook blames Milan for this, although various people at the City end may have been loose-lipped, too. Either way, it meant a flood of protests in Milan and, by the time Cook's team arrived in the city on Monday to meet Galliani and Bosco Leite, Kaka's father and agent, there were thousands of fans on the streets. "After that, the pressure was building on Milan," says Cook. "There was political pressure on Milan and supporter pressure. You could feel that pressure on the senior executives. The confidentiality should never have been broken."
Even so, City remained optimistic. They had been led to believe that Kaka was keen to come and excited about their plans. City, in turn, were prepared to make him the highest paid footballer in the world. But first – and this is really the crux – they wanted to do due diligence on the player's contract and commercial income.
"You like to know what you are getting before you make your offer to the player," Cook says. "We were trying to run through a professional process to understand. Kaka has a number of sponsors and complex agreements and inside those agreements are clauses that could affect the needs of his sponsors. That part had to be agreed before we could get to offering personal terms with the player. But his representatives simply didn't want to get to the complexities and the sophistication of the second stage."
City's representatives asked Bosco if they could look at his son's financial documents and the complexities of his different sponsorship agreements. "No," they were allegedly told. "Not even Milan get to see them." Cook says: "They just didn't get where we were coming from."
Kaka, City did establish, earns £12m a year after tax with a further £7m-8m from commercial revenue. Cook was once in charge of the Michael Jordan brand at Nike, estimated he could increase Kaka's endorsements 10-fold. "But all they wanted was to talk about salary and compensation for the player. They simply couldn't answer the questions."
The talks lasted seven hours and ended with an agreement that they would meet again the following morning and then arrange a further meeting in London. Yet Cook had picked up bad vibes when he spoke to Galliani in private. "He [Galliani] said his life had changed since the story had come out," says Cook. "He had had to move offices and employ protection.
"What really set the alarm bells ringing was that he also said they had already figured out with Kaka that they would come out with a joint statement saying they were pleased to say he was staying. They clearly had a strategy in place."
Everything came to a head when Cook received a call in the departure lounge at Linate airport. The man on the line was Alberto Zilani, a translator for Kaka's father, Bosco. There was, in Pearce's words, a "sudden change in emphasis".
According to Pearce, it was put to City that they needed to let Bosco know exactly what salary Kaka would earn, and that if they did not do it immediately the deal was in jeopardy. "There was a requirement for much more speed and a much greater focus on cash," he says. "Garry's response was that's not the way we wanted to conduct the talks and we would have to terminate the discussions there."
Cook went to ring Hughes to break the bad news. Milan, meanwhile, went into overdrive. "Garry got the telephone call at 11.03pm," says Pearce. "Within eight minutes Mr Berlusconi had called the most popular live television show in Italy and said, 'I have great news for you. Kaka has rejected the offer'. Then, suddenly, Kaka is out on his balcony waving to the Milan fans. They had got everything covered."
The meeting took place at the offices of Milan's lawyers and Cook felt that City were unwelcome. "We were confined to a room with no food or drink. We were starving by the time it finished. They gave us a cup of coffee so it would be unfair to say there was nothing. But the hospitality wasn't the finest. It was interesting to see how they worked. The dynamics of it were strange, very unnerving. It wasn't a place we would want to be in."
If it hadnt been leaked then kaka would be a City player by now.
This article from times online.
From start to finish, the whole process took 34 days. It was 15 December when Manchester City's executive chairman, Garry Cook, first made contact with Milan. "I'll come out with this straight away," he said over the phone to Adriano Galliani, the club's vice-president. "We want your best player and I'm ringing up to see how much you want for him."
Galliani listened and said he would speak to Silvio Berlusconi, the Âpresident. Later that day, a fax came through to Cook's office. It was signed by Galliani and told him Kaka was available if City "delivered the sum of 200 million". Cook jokingly faxed back: "Is that lira?"
The important thing was that Milan were willing to do business. Cook reported the breakthrough to Sheikh Mansour, the club's owner, and Mark Hughes, the Âmanager. A six-man team, including three lawyers, was put together, and so began the exhaustive process of trying to conclude perhaps the most audacious transfer of all time. So where did it all go wrong and how did it reach the stage that City should get their fingers burned so badly?
Those are questions that Cook was still asking himself yesterday as he and Simon Pearce, Sheikh Mansour's personal envoy, tried to make sense of it all. It has been a chastening experience and has led to concerns about Robinho's future in Manchester, and Cook did not mince his words. "They bottled it," he says of Milan. "We weren't naive. It was just that the world we entered into was unprofessional. We engaged a lot of professional people to take care of this deal. But it was all a bit too sophisticated for Milan."
Milan have been on their own PR Âoffensive, of course. According to the ÂItalians, the decision was purely Kaka's and he chose to turn down City because he could not bear the idea of leaving San Siro. Kaka himself has said it "took only 30 seconds to make up my mind".
Cook's is a very different take. "We never met the player and we simply didn't make an offer [of personal terms] to Kaka," he said. "All of which makes it difficult for us to swallow the suggestion that he rejected Manchester City. There was nothing to reject."
What we can say for certain is that it is a lesson in the complexities of what it is like to negotiate the transfer of a Âgenuine superstar and the minefield of legalities, politics, agents, interpreters and egos.
City, for instance, have documents to show that, by the time the transfer window opened on 1 January, a fee had been agreed for the Brazilian. Milan had slashed their initial asking price to £91m, to be paid in five instalments. A confidentiality agreement had been signed and the vibes were so positive Hughes, had gone as far as planning a new 4–1–4–1 formation, with Kaka playing in his best position as an advanced central midfielder.
By the time Cook boarded a private jet back to Manchester after the first face-to-face talks between himself, other high-ranking City officials and the Milan hierarchy, he and his colleagues were in a celebratory mood. "They [Milan] had made it quite clear that they wanted to sell their prize possession to us," he claims.
But this was only the first part of what Cook calls "a three-stage process" and it is the second phase where it gets increasingly complicated.
First, the story was leaked. Cook blames Milan for this, although various people at the City end may have been loose-lipped, too. Either way, it meant a flood of protests in Milan and, by the time Cook's team arrived in the city on Monday to meet Galliani and Bosco Leite, Kaka's father and agent, there were thousands of fans on the streets. "After that, the pressure was building on Milan," says Cook. "There was political pressure on Milan and supporter pressure. You could feel that pressure on the senior executives. The confidentiality should never have been broken."
Even so, City remained optimistic. They had been led to believe that Kaka was keen to come and excited about their plans. City, in turn, were prepared to make him the highest paid footballer in the world. But first – and this is really the crux – they wanted to do due diligence on the player's contract and commercial income.
"You like to know what you are getting before you make your offer to the player," Cook says. "We were trying to run through a professional process to understand. Kaka has a number of sponsors and complex agreements and inside those agreements are clauses that could affect the needs of his sponsors. That part had to be agreed before we could get to offering personal terms with the player. But his representatives simply didn't want to get to the complexities and the sophistication of the second stage."
City's representatives asked Bosco if they could look at his son's financial documents and the complexities of his different sponsorship agreements. "No," they were allegedly told. "Not even Milan get to see them." Cook says: "They just didn't get where we were coming from."
Kaka, City did establish, earns £12m a year after tax with a further £7m-8m from commercial revenue. Cook was once in charge of the Michael Jordan brand at Nike, estimated he could increase Kaka's endorsements 10-fold. "But all they wanted was to talk about salary and compensation for the player. They simply couldn't answer the questions."
The talks lasted seven hours and ended with an agreement that they would meet again the following morning and then arrange a further meeting in London. Yet Cook had picked up bad vibes when he spoke to Galliani in private. "He [Galliani] said his life had changed since the story had come out," says Cook. "He had had to move offices and employ protection.
"What really set the alarm bells ringing was that he also said they had already figured out with Kaka that they would come out with a joint statement saying they were pleased to say he was staying. They clearly had a strategy in place."
Everything came to a head when Cook received a call in the departure lounge at Linate airport. The man on the line was Alberto Zilani, a translator for Kaka's father, Bosco. There was, in Pearce's words, a "sudden change in emphasis".
According to Pearce, it was put to City that they needed to let Bosco know exactly what salary Kaka would earn, and that if they did not do it immediately the deal was in jeopardy. "There was a requirement for much more speed and a much greater focus on cash," he says. "Garry's response was that's not the way we wanted to conduct the talks and we would have to terminate the discussions there."
Cook went to ring Hughes to break the bad news. Milan, meanwhile, went into overdrive. "Garry got the telephone call at 11.03pm," says Pearce. "Within eight minutes Mr Berlusconi had called the most popular live television show in Italy and said, 'I have great news for you. Kaka has rejected the offer'. Then, suddenly, Kaka is out on his balcony waving to the Milan fans. They had got everything covered."
The meeting took place at the offices of Milan's lawyers and Cook felt that City were unwelcome. "We were confined to a room with no food or drink. We were starving by the time it finished. They gave us a cup of coffee so it would be unfair to say there was nothing. But the hospitality wasn't the finest. It was interesting to see how they worked. The dynamics of it were strange, very unnerving. It wasn't a place we would want to be in."
If it hadnt been leaked then kaka would be a City player by now.
This article from times online.
Ajay
Well-Known Member
auction294 said:Ajay,
I've read your posts with interest . You seem to have a unique insight into the culture of our owners and the environment in which they live. In your opinion, and I must stress that whatever response you may or may not choose to give is quite simply that, your individual opinion; how do you feel the hysterical reaction from the British Media, has been footballers, never has been footballers, pundits, experts and other such numptys regarding the proposed transfer of Kaka to us and the subsequent failure to sign him has affected the owners perception and future intentions?
I'm not thinking of starting up a big mad conspiracy theory of them leaving or other such shite, basically what do you think that they think of it all?
thanks
Without a shadow of doubt our owners purchased a club they believed could and will become one of (if not the biggest) clubs in the world but they never expected anything to happen overnight!
The culture here is evident form the way the UAE have developed beyond anyones imagination over the last 10-15 years - from desert to the talk of the world, if it can be done then the Arabs will do it.
Personally and from the people I know I can say hand on my heart that ADUG and SH. Mansoor understands this is a major project and will as a result invest TIME and MONEY to make it was he believes it can be.
The club know mistakes have been made, the initial takeover announcements that we would buy every player for ridiculous amounts of money has come back to haunt us and the 'city effect' is causing us problems. But that said our world stage exposure is higher than we could have ever dreamed.
The Arabs are proud people and do not like they names or their business plastered everywhere for everyone to see, the failure to land Kaka has been an upset but they will not let it get them down, if anything it will make them more determined to get it right next time!
Personally I think we have tried to move to quickly and a number of the players we want are not comfortable to make such a decision until they see at least some of our plan implemented.
The recent signings are a clear indication of what the club are trying to achieve, DeJong and Bridge are without doubt exceptional additions and I am convinced Bellamy will do what he has been bought in to do.
The press?
They do not give a shit about what the press says, and we should follow their view - stop listening to the idiots and stop reading their crap.