More student protests

[niceblueice]

the ones out rioting are sure to be doing fucking useless degrees like women studies, history and physicology (3 hours a week in uni bollox)...
the proper students, ie those who study science, engineering, law and medicine will be knocking their pan in actually doing assignments and/or in class learning.

Just to let you know that history is a useful degree, you can go into teaching, law, politics, and journalism with it and it's beneficial for just plain old office jobs in business/commerce firms, social services etc. The dates and facts you learn might be a waste of time but the skills taugh are useful. I'm starting to wish I took that now instead of limiting myself to one field.

Was in uni myself today and the lecturer asked why we hadn't gone out protesting. Most didn't give a damn about it, doesn't effect us anyway, and someone said who's mad enough to want to want to march in this weather for something that isn't going to change anyway. Smart guy!

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

Just wanted to make a quick point.

There's a few people on this thread (SWP's Back for instance) who have stated that students doing proper degrees should pay for the privilege of earning more in the future.

Here's the major flaw in your thinking. Not everybody does.

I do physics at University but I could probably earn a lot more in future if I were to work my way up in business. In fact I'm certain I could. If everybody went to University for the "privilege of earning more" then we'd have huge gaping holes in our scientific industry, trust me.

So is it right that I am to be made to pay bucket loads for trying to be useful to the country, working very hard, doing something I enjoy doing, and probably sacrificing my future wealth as a result?

If you ask me, if anything, the government should be paying me not the other way round.

 

[Cake]

Just wanted to make a quick point.

There's a few people on this thread (SWP's Back for instance) who have stated that students doing proper degrees should pay for the privilege of earning more in the future.

Here's the major flaw in your thinking. Not everybody does.

I do physics at University but I could probably earn a lot more in future if I were to work my way up in business. In fact I'm certain I could. If everybody went to University for the "privilege of earning more" then we'd have huge gaping holes in our scientific industry, trust me.

So is it right that I am to be made to pay bucket loads for trying to be useful to the country, working very hard, doing something I enjoy doing, and probably sacrificing my future wealth as a result?

If you ask me, if anything, the government should be paying me not the other way round.

They probably will be doing in a few years time when you're a top physicist working for them.

 

[SWP's back]

Just wanted to make a quick point.

There's a few people on this thread (SWP's Back for instance) who have stated that students doing proper degrees should pay for the privilege of earning more in the future.

Here's the major flaw in your thinking. Not everybody does.

I do physics at University but I could probably earn a lot more in future if I were to work my way up in business. In fact I'm certain I could. If everybody went to University for the "privilege of earning more" then we'd have huge gaping holes in our scientific industry, trust me.

So is it right that I am to be made to pay bucket loads for trying to be useful to the country, working very hard, doing something I enjoy doing, and probably sacrificing my future wealth as a result?

If you ask me, if anything, the government should be paying me not the other way round.

Ha - yes, ofcourse. You think 90% of business people walking down Deansgate on a normal day enjoy what they are doing? Do you not think that running businesses and helping to stimulate the economy on a daily basis is not useful to the country? The call centre workers earning £12k per year (but atleast they are working) are sacrificing potential earnings and their own working life enjoyment also.

You have a lot to learn young man.

We make our choices and have to live with them. The majority of us do something that helps the country in whatever way without the bonus of enjoying our jobs.

 

[Halfpenny]

the ones out rioting are sure to be doing fucking useless degrees like women studies, history and physicology (3 hours a week in uni bollox)...
the proper students, ie those who study science, engineering, law and medicine will be knocking their pan in actually doing assignments and/or in class learning.

Are you saying the only useful degrees are the vocational ones? Utterly wrong. There is no way you can compare a degree in history to something like women studies or events management or anything like that. History is a very useful degree indeed as is politics, which is what I want to study. I want to go to University to get a degree and to get myself a good job in the future. Of course me being a student and someone who wants to be a politician means I would be referred to as a lazy, lying tax dodger so I'm expecting an extra barracking.

Once again, I'm saddened the rent a mob twats have decided to come and ruin a perfectly legitimate protest and completely wreck the cause we're fighting for. The fact is that many poorer students will be put off going to university and many talented individuals will not be able to fulfil their ambitions in the future.

 

[metalblue]

Just wanted to make a quick point.

There's a few people on this thread (SWP's Back for instance) who have stated that students doing proper degrees should pay for the privilege of earning more in the future.

Here's the major flaw in your thinking. Not everybody does.

I do physics at University but I could probably earn a lot more in future if I were to work my way up in business. In fact I'm certain I could. If everybody went to University for the "privilege of earning more" then we'd have huge gaping holes in our scientific industry, trust me.

So is it right that I am to be made to pay bucket loads for trying to be useful to the country, working very hard, doing something I enjoy doing, and probably sacrificing my future wealth as a result?

If you ask me, if anything, the government should be paying me not the other way round.

if not for better career prospects why did YOU choose to go to uni? anyway rest easy lad, as a physics graduate you are in one of the "better" fields and can expect to earn £190,000 more than a non-grad in the same field.

 

[Cake]

the ones out rioting are sure to be doing fucking useless degrees like women studies, history and physicology (3 hours a week in uni bollox)...
the proper students, ie those who study science, engineering, law and medicine will be knocking their pan in actually doing assignments and/or in class learning.

Are you saying the only useful degrees are the vocational ones? Utterly wrong. There is no way you can compare a degree in history to something like women studies or events management or anything like that. History is a very useful degree indeed as is politics, which is what I want to study. I want to go to University to get a degree and to get myself a good job in the future. Of course me being a student and someone who wants to be a politician means I would be referred to as a lazy, lying tax dodger so I'm expecting an extra barracking.

Once again, I'm saddened the rent a mob twats have decided to come and ruin a perfectly legitimate protest and completely wreck the cause we're fighting for. The fact is that many poorer students will be put off going to university and many talented individuals will not be able to fulfil their ambitions in the future.

How will they be put off if they don't have to start paying any monies back until they earn over £21k P.A?

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

Just wanted to make a quick point.

There's a few people on this thread (SWP's Back for instance) who have stated that students doing proper degrees should pay for the privilege of earning more in the future.

Here's the major flaw in your thinking. Not everybody does.

I do physics at University but I could probably earn a lot more in future if I were to work my way up in business. In fact I'm certain I could. If everybody went to University for the "privilege of earning more" then we'd have huge gaping holes in our scientific industry, trust me.

So is it right that I am to be made to pay bucket loads for trying to be useful to the country, working very hard, doing something I enjoy doing, and probably sacrificing my future wealth as a result?

If you ask me, if anything, the government should be paying me not the other way round.

Ha - yes, ofcourse. You think 90% of business people walking down Deansgate on a normal day enjoy what they are doing? Do you not think that running businesses and helping to stimulate the economy on a daily basis is not useful to the country? The call centre workers earning £12k per year (but atleast they are working) are sacrificing potential earnings and their own working life enjoyment also.

You have a lot to learn young man.

We make our choices and have to live with them. The majority of us do something that helps the country in whatever way without the bonus of enjoying our jobs.

I never said that people who don't degrees and work their way up by other means aren't useful to the country. I said my degree is useful.

Quite a difference between those two statements.

So you're saying that people working in a call centre have sacrificed the chance to earn a lot more money? How exactly? Unless there's lots of potential millionaire geniuses working in call centres out of choice 'for a laugh' then that is a flawed argument.

The point I'm making is that I'm being made to pay vast sums of money for trying to do something worthwhile and beneficial to the nation. Surely that'd be deterring for a lot of people?

The answer is yes of course it's deterring, we have a huge shortage of physicists just for that reason and the number goes down every year. Not because we don't have people smart enough, but because people don't want to pay for a degree which will end up earning them less money. It's the same in other occupations as well.

 

[Chris Mac]

Both my nieces went to Uni. Both graduated and are now secondary school teachers. I asked their opinion the other day on the recent protests and the ones coming up.....they both said that students that were at Uni with them were going to be involved in the protests. They both started work around 5 years ago so these "friends" of theres are still tossing it off at Uni now. They also said they should get their heads down and get jobs to enable them to contribute to their fees, like they both did.

 

[Halfpenny]

Are you saying the only useful degrees are the vocational ones? Utterly wrong. There is no way you can compare a degree in history to something like women studies or events management or anything like that. History is a very useful degree indeed as is politics, which is what I want to study. I want to go to University to get a degree and to get myself a good job in the future. Of course me being a student and someone who wants to be a politician means I would be referred to as a lazy, lying tax dodger so I'm expecting an extra barracking.

Once again, I'm saddened the rent a mob twats have decided to come and ruin a perfectly legitimate protest and completely wreck the cause we're fighting for. The fact is that many poorer students will be put off going to university and many talented individuals will not be able to fulfil their ambitions in the future.

How will they be put off if they don't have to start paying any monies back until they earn over £21k P.A?

They baulk at the figure they would be paying and decide it's not worth it. Parents could also stop them applying citing the cost.

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