Mourinho or Mancini

[andyhinch]

As we don't know what caveats are in the contract it's hard to speculate, so I won't

 

[Didsbury Dave]

That's true.

However, it's a totally bizarre notion that the club should get rid of a manager who has won us the FA Cup and Premiership in successive seasons and built a squad that can compete for trophies in the years to come

There are three reasons we are not top of the table this season and none are to do with Mancini:

1) Utd signed RVP
2) Refereeing of Utd's games at Anfield and Stamford Bridge - which prevented damaging defeats
3) Injuries to our own players eg Aguero (you could argue that Mancini should have subbed Aguero before getting injured, but that's stretching it and doesn't excuse the 1st injury lay off)

The brat camp have painted themselves into a corner and argument can not sway them so in many ways its a pointless discussion

The reason we aren't top of the table is that we have played badly for most of the season. And the reason Mancini is under pressure is that the European campaign was a disaster. And his European record is poor. So given those facts, the fact that we have new top men in charge, the availability of two world class managers in the summer and the fact that we know he was close to leaving last summer, it is entirely sensible to believe there is a good chance we will be looking for a new manager next summer.

You might think its "bizarre" but that's how it is.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

I don't see how you reach that conclusion.... Unless you are Sheik Mansour....

I suspect you're not Sheik Mansour.

Mancini = Champion, and will be again this season.

Best manager we've ever had imo

Any manager going into the last year of their contact without a new deal is hugely weakened, and in a club with big name players that's even more applicable. It doesn't take sheikh mansour to tell anyone that, just anyone with a modicum of knowledge of the game.

So you're saying that Sheik Mansour does not have a modicum of knowledge of the game...?

You remain as dismal as ever David.

Dismal

Sweet Jesus, why not stay out of a discussion that you are blatantly not equipped to take part in?

 

[MSP]

If the manager doesn't have the confidence of the owners, why extend hos contract?

The explanations so far are pitiful. Quit whinging or put forward something credible.

Managers contracts mean nothing nowadays. Being extremely happy with manager can be few weeks away from thinking about sacking him.

You must have a poor view of our owners bud.

I guess it's more you thinking that they are from some other planet and not businessmen who are running multibillion business where there's no place for sentiments. Nor it should be. It's only the matter if situation A is better and brings more than situation B. Or vice versa.

There are numerous situations that could pull a trigger to sack manager. Results are not solely one of them.

You can bet your house that if our owners analyze situation and conclude that some new manager would bring more to City than sacking Mancini would make City to lose - they'll sack him in a heartbeat. And his mate Khaldoon will tell him that while they're chatting about barms/muffins.

 

[Ray78]

For those who have total loyalty to Mancini, can you explain how Celtic progressed to the last stages of the Champions League with an equally difficult group?

 

[andyhinch]

For those who have total loyalty to Mancini, can you explain how Celtic progressed to the last stages of the Champions League with an equally difficult group?

You could ask why Macclesfield got past Cardiff in the FA cup or how Chelsea won it last year

 

[LoveCity]

Mancini's European record can't be defended IMO and that is from someone who doesn't want to see him gone. It's poor but the worst thing is it has regressed not improved. He always got out of the group stage at Inter and even made the QF a couple of times - we'd take that right now! We did have a brutal group this year but 1pt from the Ajax games were inexcusable. Keep in mind they are 3rd in Holland right now and not the best team there at the moment, and our youth striker John Guidetti scored a hat-trick against a stronger Ajax team (before they sold a few key players like Vertonghen, Anita, and Van der Wiel) last season yet we managed 3 goals in 2 games total against them.

But Mancini is a top manager domestically and has shown it. We are 7pts behind United but I think there are some valid excuses for that and the season isn't over yet.

 

[Ray78]

For those who have total loyalty to Mancini, can you explain how Celtic progressed to the last stages of the Champions League with an equally difficult group?

You could ask why Macclesfield got past Cardiff in the FA cup or how Chelsea won it last year

The manager but we did want to progress in the Champions League but we haven't progressed yet.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Lack of candidates available? There was a delay when we announced Mancini's contract extension.

Thats not credible.

So why there was a delay, a leak linking Mancini to the Russian job and had posters flapping (me included) on here at the start of last season?

I'd say the delay would be the details of the contract rather than the existence of one. He was always going to get one after he won the league.

It would take a while to negotiate terms, bonuses, targets and (importantly) settlement clauses.

Alan perdew has an 8 year contract but a one year settlement deal, meaning he gets paid one year's salary if he is sacked. So you could easily argue that in reality it's a one year rolling contract. There have been rumours that mancini's has a 2 year clause but I don't know if its right. It could be a lot more complex, in that his settlement agreement could be performance-linked.

What is absolutely certain is that it won't be a straightforward "all cash paid up" contract. Even if it was, he'd have to stay out of work until the end of that contract to get it all paid up.

 

[Ray78]

Mancini's European record can't be defended IMO and that is from someone who doesn't want to see him gone. It's poor but the worst thing is it has regressed not improved. He always got out of the group stage at Inter and even made the QF a couple of times - we'd take that right now! We did have a brutal group this year but 1pt from the Ajax games were inexcusable. Keep in mind they are 3rd in Holland right now and not the best team there at the moment, and our youth striker John Guidetti scored a hat-trick against a stronger Ajax team (before they sold a few key players like Vertonghen, Anita, and Van der Wiel) last season yet we managed 3 goals in 2 games total against them.

But Mancini is a top manager domestically and has shown it. We are 7pts behind United but I think there are some valid excuses for that and the season isn't over yet.

I am clinging on to the hope that we could. Lose on Sunday and that will evaporate for me.