MUEN - what's gone wrong?

Re: MUEN -whats gone wrong

stuart brennan said:
Yes, of course they can be all wrong. They ARE all wrong
Six hundred years ago, just about everyone thought the earth was flat. Surely they weren't all wrong?
You are also ignoring the fact that there are plenty of City fans, on BM and beyond, who DON'T think there is a bias. Or don;t their views count?
Don't you tits fact check anything? <a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth</a>
 
Re: MUEN -whats gone wrong

laserblue said:
Anyway, I picked one at random. Hawksbee and Jacobs Friday 16th March 2012. This was the day after both Manchester teams went out of the Europa League which was Hawksbee's opening gambit to Spencer. This subject was discussed for approx 1 minute 45 seconds during which time Spencer spoke only about how it affected United. He didn't mention City at all.

Talking about the title race he said that failure to win it would have "huge ramifications" for City without considering any negative effect failure might have on United.

Then he said that if Mourinho becomes available in the summer City "will be tempted" to sack Mancini and appoint him. That's about as negative a comment the sports editor of a Manchester paper could make about the manager of one of Manchester's clubs going neck and neck on the run in for the title. Stu, ask him from me if he felt a bit of a twat when Mancini was recently given a 5 year contract extension.

Then he came out with the old worn (and totally discredited) cliche about United having all the experience on the run in while for City bit was "a whole new world", thereby totally ignoring the breadth and depth of experience in big game and big series situations of many of City's squad.

If the above isn't downplaying City and focusing on negativity I really don't know what is.

This is the problem - I listened to this as well, and you have clearly only heard what you wanted to hear to back up your argument.
1. He talked about United because he was asked specifically about Fergie saying he hoped Atheltic Bilbao would go on and win the competition. If he had been asked a City-related question, he would have answered about City.
2. He referred only to "huge ramifications" at City because there was a strong possibility that Mancini would have gone had City blown up and lost the title race. United losing it has had no real impact. That was a widely-held opinion at the time, and I think that may well have happened had City not staged such a strong comeback.
3. Mancini and several of his players all said United had the edge in experience - were they all peddling an anti-City agenda. You also omitted the bits where he said "United have had a purple patch and are due a dip" and that Yaya Toure should be Player of the Year - is that because they were a little too anti-United, pro-City to fit your argument?
 
Re: MUEN -whats gone wrong

stuart brennan said:
bluemanc said:
When something like andy mitten is writing fairytales about City in the M.E.N & then taking the piss about what he's doing on his twitter page then something has to be wrong.
Another rag Denise Evans's The "Imfamous Helen Turner" was an horrific headline,she comes across ok in conversation & the article itself was good BUT i don't believe she didn't know what infamous means,very poor even if taking the piss,spelling worse than mine aswell.
NOT a go at Stu by any means,but the M.E.N is getting worse with these other freelances penning stuff about us
Best bet is just read Stu's stuff and ignore the rest.
Etc..............

I agree that was a poor headline on the Helen Turner article, but just bad English rather than any bid to have a go at City.

As for Mitten, he's a good lad and a good, knowledgeable writer. I'm not sure what you refer to as the fairy tales, or him taking the piss
Morrissey may have grown up a mile from Old Trafford, but when he wrote: ‘We hate it when our friends become successful. And if they’re Northern, that makes it even worse,’ he didn’t have football in mind. The lyrics have rung true for United over the last two decades though, not that City fans would ever describe United as friends. City had few friends among fans of other clubs, but lots of sympathisers who loathed United more, who were the top dogs, the team to beat, the club everyone loved to hate. United’s success created millions of haters – the rise of the internet and blanket TV coverage gave them a platform and rubbed their noses in it. Their team couldn’t beat United, so they jibed that all United fans were glory hunters from Surrey who’d never been to Manchester, let alone Old Trafford. Twenty years on, some people still repeat this, still think it’s funny. City’s success will continue to bring changes for match-going blues. I met a Blue relative (by marriage, not blood) outside the Etihad before the derby. He was enjoying City winning, but explained it came at a price. He’d looked around City’s away end at Arsenal and Chelsea and cringed as he saw hundreds of people he’s never seen at the match before – gloryhunters and tourists. Rich ones who go and see United (or now City) in London but never venture north of Tottenham. Tourists who’ll happily pay £300 on the black market for a one-off match in London, thus inflating the price for any genuine fans without tickets. And City are now classed as a category ‘A’ opponent, which means higher tickets prices for home – and away fans. So while your opinion of Fulham may not have changed in five years, theirs certainly has of you and they will sting you for the privilege. For capital ‘Cat A’ games £56 tickets are the norm. Don’t expect the hosts to roll out the carpet either. They won’t laugh along with the ‘typical City’ or the ‘cups for cock ups’ comments any more. And what is typical City these days? Winning every week, boasting that you buy anyone you choose. Click here to sign up to our new free Fantasy Football game where £100,000 is up for grabs Success brings increased expectations – and they can bring out a less edifying aspect of fandom, one where nothing is ever good enough. I listened to one Red moaning the day after United won the treble. It’s a new dawn for City. Being called a ‘noisy neighbour’ by Sir Alex Ferguson will seem like a compliment compared to the abuse at away grounds where everyone wants you to fail. Will you be ‘ABC’ to United’s ABU – (Anyone But United)? Away fans may begrudgingly admire David Silva’s brilliance or Vincent Kompany’s peerless authority, but they’ll seldom show it. Players will be labelled mercenaries and worse, but the fans will bear the brunt of the changes, the price rises, the hangers on, the constant shifting of games for TV. Reliving City winning the league at United’s expense is not something I’ll make a habit of, but I saw a photo a few weeks after that mind-numbing afternoon which remains vivid. It was a Facebook image of a Wythenshawe Blue celebrating with his brother in a Barcelona pub. The lad has been going to City for years and had waited a long time for that title. There was more emotion in that lad’s face in that single photo than any celebrations I saw on television. You could see that it meant the world to him. On his way home that night, the Blue saw a man in a City shirt across the street. He went up to him thinking they’d have much in common and perhaps an impromptu celebration. After all, they were both Blues. Except the lad in the City shirt wasn’t even a fan, just someone who ‘liked’ the shirt. The Blue was befuddled. Welcome to your new world, where more people than ever like you, and even more hate you.

City had few friends among fans of other clubs, but lots of sympathisers who loathed United more.
Historically he's correct but that's not what he meant, go back to Gibson pouring money into utd in the early 1900/20's & earning utd the nickname "moneybags utd"to the way a SECOND rich owner raped clubs of young players by pumping money into a youth policy that used priests as scouts.
Add to that the hatred of Midland clubs over what they believed was the theft of Duncan Edwards & Bolton/Burnley both believing utd were exploiting Munich to gain advantage in Boltons case & in Burnleys wanting the best players rather than players offered in good faith after Munich,etc.....
Yes utd are despised more than we ever will be, BUT it isn't as mitten thinks jealousy over what they have won.
They are a horrible vile club from top to bottom when they can't bully they will whine & moan until they get what they want.
City do have friends & it's normal a hell of a lot would despise utd.
As i said to him the real problem is whoever allowed that to reach the M.E.N in that form in the first place
It's what i'd expect off a man u fanzine writer with a huge inferioity complex,which is what he is.
As for the "taking the piss",he's now protected his tweets from viewing but he made it crystal clear A.that he got the gig because he's a great writer.B.which is even stranger that City had had some kind of part to play in his being asked to write that article.
One last point, he can't have watched much television if he thinks a photo of a lad in Barca celebrating showed more emotion than any TV he'd seen,he also said because a lot of City fans accept you we should accept him & his articles,he's fuckin deranged if he really thinks that.
The fuckers myopic & that article should have been proofed.
As i said Stu i ain't got a problem with you.........not that i always agree with you,like.
 
Re: MUEN -whats gone wrong

bluemanc said:
stuart brennan said:
bluemanc said:
When something like andy mitten is writing fairytales about City in the M.E.N & then taking the piss about what he's doing on his twitter page then something has to be wrong.
Another rag Denise Evans's The "Imfamous Helen Turner" was an horrific headline,she comes across ok in conversation & the article itself was good BUT i don't believe she didn't know what infamous means,very poor even if taking the piss,spelling worse than mine aswell.
NOT a go at Stu by any means,but the M.E.N is getting worse with these other freelances penning stuff about us
Best bet is just read Stu's stuff and ignore the rest.
Etc..............

I agree that was a poor headline on the Helen Turner article, but just bad English rather than any bid to have a go at City.

As for Mitten, he's a good lad and a good, knowledgeable writer. I'm not sure what you refer to as the fairy tales, or him taking the piss
Morrissey may have grown up a mile from Old Trafford, but when he wrote: ‘We hate it when our friends become successful. And if they’re Northern, that makes it even worse,’ he didn’t have football in mind. The lyrics have rung true for United over the last two decades though, not that City fans would ever describe United as friends. City had few friends among fans of other clubs, but lots of sympathisers who loathed United more, who were the top dogs, the team to beat, the club everyone loved to hate. United’s success created millions of haters – the rise of the internet and blanket TV coverage gave them a platform and rubbed their noses in it. Their team couldn’t beat United, so they jibed that all United fans were glory hunters from Surrey who’d never been to Manchester, let alone Old Trafford. Twenty years on, some people still repeat this, still think it’s funny. City’s success will continue to bring changes for match-going blues. I met a Blue relative (by marriage, not blood) outside the Etihad before the derby. He was enjoying City winning, but explained it came at a price. He’d looked around City’s away end at Arsenal and Chelsea and cringed as he saw hundreds of people he’s never seen at the match before – gloryhunters and tourists. Rich ones who go and see United (or now City) in London but never venture north of Tottenham. Tourists who’ll happily pay £300 on the black market for a one-off match in London, thus inflating the price for any genuine fans without tickets. And City are now classed as a category ‘A’ opponent, which means higher tickets prices for home – and away fans. So while your opinion of Fulham may not have changed in five years, theirs certainly has of you and they will sting you for the privilege. For capital ‘Cat A’ games £56 tickets are the norm. Don’t expect the hosts to roll out the carpet either. They won’t laugh along with the ‘typical City’ or the ‘cups for cock ups’ comments any more. And what is typical City these days? Winning every week, boasting that you buy anyone you choose. Click here to sign up to our new free Fantasy Football game where £100,000 is up for grabs Success brings increased expectations – and they can bring out a less edifying aspect of fandom, one where nothing is ever good enough. I listened to one Red moaning the day after United won the treble. It’s a new dawn for City. Being called a ‘noisy neighbour’ by Sir Alex Ferguson will seem like a compliment compared to the abuse at away grounds where everyone wants you to fail. Will you be ‘ABC’ to United’s ABU – (Anyone But United)? Away fans may begrudgingly admire David Silva’s brilliance or Vincent Kompany’s peerless authority, but they’ll seldom show it. Players will be labelled mercenaries and worse, but the fans will bear the brunt of the changes, the price rises, the hangers on, the constant shifting of games for TV. Reliving City winning the league at United’s expense is not something I’ll make a habit of, but I saw a photo a few weeks after that mind-numbing afternoon which remains vivid. It was a Facebook image of a Wythenshawe Blue celebrating with his brother in a Barcelona pub. The lad has been going to City for years and had waited a long time for that title. There was more emotion in that lad’s face in that single photo than any celebrations I saw on television. You could see that it meant the world to him. On his way home that night, the Blue saw a man in a City shirt across the street. He went up to him thinking they’d have much in common and perhaps an impromptu celebration. After all, they were both Blues. Except the lad in the City shirt wasn’t even a fan, just someone who ‘liked’ the shirt. The Blue was befuddled. Welcome to your new world, where more people than ever like you, and even more hate you.

City had few friends among fans of other clubs, but lots of sympathisers who loathed United more.
Historically he's correct but that's not what he meant, go back to Gibson pouring money into utd in the early 1900/20's & earning utd the nickname "moneybags utd"to the way a SECOND rich owner raped clubs of young players by pumping money into a youth policy that used priests as scouts.
Add to that the hatred of Midland clubs over what they believed was the theft of Duncan Edwards & Bolton/Burnley both believing utd were exploiting Munich to gain advantage in Boltons case & in Burnleys wanting the best players rather than players offered in good faith after Munich,etc.....
Yes utd are despised more than we ever will be, BUT it isn't as mitten thinks jealousy over what they have won.
They are a horrible vile club from top to bottom when they can't bully they will whine & moan until they get what they want.
City do have friends & it's normal a hell of a lot would despise utd.
As i said to him the real problem is whoever allowed that to reach the M.E.N in that form in the first place
It's what i'd expect off a man u fanzine writer with a huge inferioity complex,which is what he is.
As for the "taking the piss",he's now protected his tweets from viewing but he made it crystal clear A.that he got the gig because he's a great writer.B.which is even stranger that City had had some kind of part to play in his being asked to write that article.
One last point, he can't have watched much television if he thinks a photo of a lad in Barca celebrating showed more emotion than any TV he'd seen,he also said because a lot of City fans accept you we should accept him & his articles,he's fuckin deranged if he really thinks that.
The fuckers myopic & that article should have been proofed.
As i said Stu i ain't got a problem with you.........not that i always agree with you,like.


Well put Bluemanc.

The bit I have highlighted is what I and many other City and non City fans think about that team . That club stands for everything that is wrong in Football and many other non Football issues.
 
Re: MUEN -whats gone wrong

stuart brennan said:
laserblue said:
Anyway, I picked one at random. Hawksbee and Jacobs Friday 16th March 2012. This was the day after both Manchester teams went out of the Europa League which was Hawksbee's opening gambit to Spencer. This subject was discussed for approx 1 minute 45 seconds during which time Spencer spoke only about how it affected United. He didn't mention City at all.

Talking about the title race he said that failure to win it would have "huge ramifications" for City without considering any negative effect failure might have on United.

Then he said that if Mourinho becomes available in the summer City "will be tempted" to sack Mancini and appoint him. That's about as negative a comment the sports editor of a Manchester paper could make about the manager of one of Manchester's clubs going neck and neck on the run in for the title. Stu, ask him from me if he felt a bit of a twat when Mancini was recently given a 5 year contract extension.

Then he came out with the old worn (and totally discredited) cliche about United having all the experience on the run in while for City bit was "a whole new world", thereby totally ignoring the breadth and depth of experience in big game and big series situations of many of City's squad.

If the above isn't downplaying City and focusing on negativity I really don't know what is.

This is the problem - I listened to this as well, and you have clearly only heard what you wanted to hear to back up your argument.
1. He talked about United because he was asked specifically about Fergie saying he hoped Atheltic Bilbao would go on and win the competition. If he had been asked a City-related question, he would have answered about City.
2. He referred only to "huge ramifications" at City because there was a strong possibility that Mancini would have gone had City blown up and lost the title race. United losing it has had no real impact. That was a widely-held opinion at the time, and I think that may well have happened had City not staged such a strong comeback.
3. Mancini and several of his players all said United had the edge in experience - were they all peddling an anti-City agenda. You also omitted the bits where he said "United have had a purple patch and are due a dip" and that Yaya Toure should be Player of the Year - is that because they were a little too anti-United, pro-City to fit your argument?

1. Did that preclude him from mentioning City at all when the header was about both Manchester clubs going out of Europe?
2. What evidence did he - or do you - have that Mancini would have gone if City had finished as runners up? Pure negative speculation as proven when Sheikh Mansour was widely quoted in the press the following month that Mancini's job was safe irrespective of finishing first or second.
3. Mancini outmanoeuvred Fergie on the mindgames all season. Surely you can see that. Don't you remember him insisting that the title was United's for weeks when City were catching them up? I also omitted the part where he said that Yaya Toure's form had "dipped horrendously". (Really? When was that?). In the context of what he said it seemed very clear to me that his comment that Yaya should be player of the year referred to him being City's player of the year not Premier League Player of the Year.
4. You've neatly sidestepped his Mourinho comments which were nothing less than disgraceful rumour mongering designed to destabilise City. He had no evidence or any other justification for making such a comment. It was sheer malicious gossip and no doubt also wishful thinking.
 
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Kudos to Stuart for coming on here and enlivening an otherwise boring closed-season sunday afternoon. I do tend to buy/pick-up the MEN most days, mainly for the Cryptic Crossword, which is a little bastard somedays.

I, personally have never really found there to be a Rag bias over the years excepting the odd time when they print the two club badges "head-to-head" in colour over a particular headline, they do tend to print the United badge partially obscuring the City badge.

In all honesty, it must have been difficult for them to adjust from a generation of them-lot being regular title-winners / European champions / most famous team in the world, etc... whilst we were a division below Stockport County, yet having to publish equal column inches six days a week.

I must admit though I too was a bit miffed by that woman's headline describing Helen as "infamous". Sloppy, schoolgirl journalism,
 
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nicholasjackson said:
As a new poster on their website ive noticed the negativity from ther paper is worst than ever along with re-hashed RVP stories, then we have a reporter who took over reporting on city after whiskey nose allegedly banned him from the swamp, James Robson with his bullshit articles.
Peter Spencer wont answer claims from blues of bias or the poor reporting, ive said this on the website before that mark hughes had no time for this paper and mancini has carried it on,spencer see's it as a joke but MUEN has had reports on us selling half the team, when he had that editors questions lark he refused to answer questions but then gets himself all over talksport making out hes got all the answers on city(talksport and mirror are their sources usually)

have they always been this biased or just since takeover? ive supported city since 85 but never used to read the paper(miss the pink)

What you gotta remember is that it was owned by the Scott Trust owners of the Guardian, Channel M, Smooth FM and then it was sold to the Trinity Mirror a few years ago I guess that says it all.
 
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Mike D said:
nicholasjackson said:
As a new poster on their website ive noticed the negativity from ther paper is worst than ever along with re-hashed RVP stories, then we have a reporter who took over reporting on city after whiskey nose allegedly banned him from the swamp, James Robson with his bullshit articles.
Peter Spencer wont answer claims from blues of bias or the poor reporting, ive said this on the website before that mark hughes had no time for this paper and mancini has carried it on,spencer see's it as a joke but MUEN has had reports on us selling half the team, when he had that editors questions lark he refused to answer questions but then gets himself all over talksport making out hes got all the answers on city(talksport and mirror are their sources usually)

have they always been this biased or just since takeover? ive supported city since 85 but never used to read the paper(miss the pink)

What you gotta remember is that it was owned by the Scott Trust owners of the Guardian, Channel M, Smooth FM and then it was sold to the Trinity Mirror a few years ago I guess that says it all.

it sure does.
 
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Stuart.

You don't have to give us your views on this topic/subject if you feel uncomfortable about doing so. I appreciate you probably know some of these guys and your views may upset them, not to mention Sir.

What do you think of Sunday Supplement and the Hacks who plauge it every weekend?

It was clear to every City fan that the majority of them had an agenda against City last season.(and the season before, etc) Sometimes I just felt like kicking the LCD in while watching the programme. (use the remote instead jrb)

Apart from that, what really strikes you is the utter fear they all have about saying anything negative regarding Sir and Manchester United. Compare and contrast to Mancini and Manchester City. On the flip side they can't say enough positives about Sir and Manchester United.

Let's be honest Stuart, you lot are shit scared of Sir. He calls the shots, barks the orders, and the lot of you to a man toe the line. Spin, mind games, false info, the lot. He says it and you lot lap it up and never question it. I've never seen Sir brought to task at his press conferences. The agenda is set. The questions are loaded. Ask nice questions, not searching or awkward ones, and you will be rewarded..("Glass of red anyone?" )

Compare and contrast to the shit Mancini has had to put up since he became City manager from you lot. That Geordie t*** from the Sun and the rest of them, constantly......(fill in as appropriate)

Hopefully one day one of you will stand up at his press conference and tell Sir to give it a f***ing rest. Go on Stu lad, tell him we're bored of his constant mind games, and sick of him twisting the truth to suit his own agenda.(20 f***ing years)

Until then you'll all be nothing more than a mouth piece for Sir and Manchester United Football club. (how bitter is that?)
 

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