Muslim women must learn English

Gelsons Dad said:
It's pretty easy really. The push is to try and empower muslim women in Britain in order that they have a more positive influence over their offspring in an attempt to reduce radicalisation. To that end, learning the language so you can participate in the broader community and today I see the face vail is also on the agenda. Again, a move to integrate muslim women into the greater community.

All logical and reasonable when you look at it in the context of addressing the radicalisation of young muslims.
All the arguments in this thread which are derived from outside the primary concern of radicalisation are off topic.
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Ah, so it is not for the benefit of the women then. Plus how the fuck is some 50 year old women going to learn English when she has never spoken it? It is just shite anti muslim rhetoric.
 
smudgedj said:
You need to get this fluent thing out of your head, it's incredibly rare to master fluency in a second language after the age of 14.

It's not that difficult to become good in a language at any age, good meaning you can have conversation about subjects you have an interest in.

Language learning is time consuming. Some languages are easier than others.

The secret to language learning is: repetitio mater studiorum est

One thing I find with speaking different languages is it's confusing. I was watching a film the other day and turned to the wife and asked her what the fuck was going on? She answered You should know it's in English: my brain was translating it into Spanish.
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Haha this is true. you learn a language to the level that you require. In Benidorm and surrounding areas there are thousands up on thousands of ex-pats that have zero desire to learn any Spanish. They don't want to or they aren't able to (learning a language is not fucking easy. It's hard, expensive, time-consuming and frustrating). I think most people come to live in places like Spain with the intention of learning Spanish but the reality soon kicks in. I married an English woman and have had a job that mostly requires me to speak in English. Therefore it's not necessary for me to speak Spanish and nor is it easy (the best language speakers seem to be those who are surrounded by the language through work or family life, where it is sink or swim). That said I can speak, understand and read Spanish to quite a decent level. I can setup a bank account, ask the Town Hall where my fucking house plan are and call Movistar asking them to refund the three months they've been charging me for a premium TV account that I never signed up to.

I should be better after nearly 6 years of living here but my life dictates the level of Spanish that I need and I'm comfortable with where I'm at. My Spanish is certainly better than a lot of ex-pats I meet.
 
totallywired said:
Ah, so it is not for the benefit of the women then. Plus how the fuck is some 50 year old women going to learn English when she has never spoken it? It is just shite anti muslim rhetoric.
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It's for the benefit of national security as a measure to reduce radicalisation. I've never spoken Swahili but I can read and write english which gives me the ability to learn Swahili should I choose to.
 
totallywired said:
Ah, so it is not for the benefit of the women then. Plus how the fuck is some 50 year old women going to learn English when she has never spoken it? It is just shite anti muslim rhetoric.
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The same way as anyone else. If she had spoken it she wouldn't need to learn.
 
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