MP gave his target signings before he signed for us - Navas and MD in particular. He was backed before he'd even put pen to paper which says a lot. I expect that to carry on this summer. Question is whether he thinks we need an overhaul or a tweak.
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nmc
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RegMuffin said:MP gave his target signings before he signed for us - Navas and MD in particular. He was backed before he'd even put pen to paper which says a lot. I expect that to carry on this summer. Question is whether he thinks we need an overhaul or a tweak.
The last two season suggests an overhaul. The culture needs to change on the pitch.
tolmie's hairdoo
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TGR said:wearethesouthstand said:de niro said:pretty much spot on.
i wonder how long the players will give pelli before they decide to sack him.
they won't. pellers is just doing what txiki and soriano want. he is a nice guy. he doesnt upset the players. mancini wanted out and out control and will clash with the new set up.
The Barca boys wanted out and out control and they got it. Therefore they have to take responsibility for this season also. We should have bought quality players after winning the title to strengthen and improve the squad regardless of if Mancini was staying or going. They didn't. Those chose to play games instead and we ended up with a bunch of less than mediocre players right at the death of the window instead.
They put their own ambitions and desires in front of those of the club by doing so.
You reap what you sow...
Absolute rubbish.
Mancini had butted heads with Khaldoon the two previous seasons with regards the transfer policy, as with Cook, as with Marwood.
The club told him we had to cut our cloth and to get the best out of some of our higher-profile signings, hardly an unreasonable request when you consider a title-winning team.
Mancini had to be informed by Sheikh Mansour in Abu Dhabi what the club needed to do as they made their moves towards balancing the books.
Mancini was on the verge of the sack AFTER the title winning season simply because he held the club to ransom over his demands and delayed his contract renewal, the club knew they risked a fan meltdown after a title season.
Khaldoon had become sick and tired of playing piggy in the middle and was tired of the games. Hughes would not accept Cook, Marwood or the rest of the 'transfer advisory team' to help select targets.
Mancini was more than happy to accept this situation. Soriano and Begiristain were not even in the club the summer we recruited Sinclair, Garcia and co.
The problem for Mancini became when he had someone he was accountable to who actually knew about football, what was happening on the pitch and in the dressing room.
He could gild the lily no longer with our 'wet behind the ears' owners, who have only ever tried to do the very best with the man they had in charge.
Begiristain had been in the job a matter of weeks but we were already out of the Champions League and Premier League equation.
Mancini took this club for an absolute ride, playing people and the fans off against each other for his own end, even negotiating with other clubs after a title season.
Damocles said:* because he didn't have a contract and didn't know whether he'd have a job in three months time.
I helpfully added a bit of information you missed out there Tolm
The "outers" as they were seem to use against Mancini the story he spoke to other clubs whilst still City manager.
Didn't MP do exactly the same thing to Malaga with the City job? I'm sure when the stories became widespread, Mancini was still in a job, as was MP (at another club).
It's football, that's what happens everywhere, whether we like it or not. So it seems selective to chastise one man for it, and not another.
tolmie's hairdoo
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Damocles said:* because he didn't have a contract and didn't know whether he'd have a job in three months time.
I helpfully added a bit of information you missed out there Tolm
*He still had 12 months remaining on his existing deal ;)
*He was negotiating with other parties AFTER a deal had been submitted following our title win.
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tolmie's hairdoo said:TGR said:wearethesouthstand said:they won't. pellers is just doing what txiki and soriano want. he is a nice guy. he doesnt upset the players. mancini wanted out and out control and will clash with the new set up.
The Barca boys wanted out and out control and they got it. Therefore they have to take responsibility for this season also. We should have bought quality players after winning the title to strengthen and improve the squad regardless of if Mancini was staying or going. They didn't. Those chose to play games instead and we ended up with a bunch of less than mediocre players right at the death of the window instead.
They put their own ambitions and desires in front of those of the club by doing so.
You reap what you sow...
Absolute rubbish.
Mancini had butted heads with Khaldoon the two previous seasons with regards the transfer policy, as with Cook, as with Marwood.
The club told him we had to cut our cloth and to get the best out of some of our higher-profile signings, hardly an unreasonable request when you consider a title-winning team.
Mancini had to be informed by Sheikh Mansour in Abu Dhabi what the club needed to do as they made their moves towards balancing the books.
Mancini was on the verge of the sack AFTER the title winning season simply because he held the club to ransom over his demands and delayed his contract renewal, the club knew they risked a fan meltdown after a title season.
Khaldoon had become sick and tired of playing piggy in the middle and was tired of the games. Hughes would not accept Cook, Marwood or the rest of the 'transfer advisory team' to help select targets.
Mancini was more than happy to accept this situation. Soriano and Begiristain were not even in the club the summer we recruited Sinclair, Garcia and co.
The problem for Mancini became when he had someone he was accountable to who actually knew about football, what was happening on the pitch and in the dressing room.
He could gild the lily no longer with our 'wet behind the ears' owners, who have only ever tried to do the very best with the man they had in charge.
Begiristain had been in the job a matter of weeks but we were already out of the Champions League and Premier League equation.
Mancini took this club for an absolute ride, playing people and the fans off against each other for his own end, even negotiating with other clubs after a title season.
Didnt do bad in my eyes considering he was taking the club for an absolute ride !!
Or so you say.
Any team that wins the league will strengthen in the summer, if they dont there missing a trick, we still could have cut our cloth accordingly.
He wanted de Rossi or Martinez, hazard and rvp, think we would have retained the title with these additions.
He also would have offloaded a couple bringing a few quid in- he didnt want to get rid before we had bought which in hindsight made sense coz he didnt get his targets anyway.
Buy hazard -sell Johnson,- buy de Rossi/Martinez - sell de Jong , - buy rvp -sell dzeko- maybe £42 mill back off these players and spend £75 mill.
We still spent strong money on Garcia, Sinclair and nasty - was there anyone else ( Macon on loan? )-
We still sold de Jong and Johnson but didnt replace them with better players.
If they had delivered 2 out of the 3 requests he would have been more than happy .
I know its in the past but i think we all know the players he got were no where near what we needed to improve so he had a right to be disappointed in fairness, from here on in , this is when the harmony throughout the club was extinguished.
Sad really , we was doing alright .
tolmie's hairdoo
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bluetim said:Damocles said:* because he didn't have a contract and didn't know whether he'd have a job in three months time.
I helpfully added a bit of information you missed out there Tolm
The "outers" as they were seem to use against Mancini the story he spoke to other clubs whilst still City manager.
Didn't MP do exactly the same thing to Malaga with the City job? I'm sure when the stories became widespread, Mancini was still in a job, as was MP (at another club).
It's football, that's what happens everywhere, whether we like it or not. So it seems selective to chastise one man for it, and not another.
No doubt how football works, as does any industry when it goes out and attempts to recruit for a new position.
My post was a more expansive defence of the 'Barca Duo' in response to them being accused of fucking up Mancini's transfer policy.
They were not in a position to do so.
TGR
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tolmie's hairdoo said:TGR said:wearethesouthstand said:they won't. pellers is just doing what txiki and soriano want. he is a nice guy. he doesnt upset the players. mancini wanted out and out control and will clash with the new set up.
The Barca boys wanted out and out control and they got it. Therefore they have to take responsibility for this season also. We should have bought quality players after winning the title to strengthen and improve the squad regardless of if Mancini was staying or going. They didn't. Those chose to play games instead and we ended up with a bunch of less than mediocre players right at the death of the window instead.
They put their own ambitions and desires in front of those of the club by doing so.
You reap what you sow...
Absolute rubbish.
Mancini had butted heads with Khaldoon the two previous seasons with regards the transfer policy, as with Cook, as with Marwood.
The club told him we had to cut our cloth and to get the best out of some of our higher-profile signings, hardly an unreasonable request when you consider a title-winning team.
Mancini had to be informed by Sheikh Mansour in Abu Dhabi what the club needed to do as they made their moves towards balancing the books.
Mancini was on the verge of the sack AFTER the title winning season simply because he held the club to ransom over his demands and delayed his contract renewal, the club knew they risked a fan meltdown after a title season.
Khaldoon had become sick and tired of playing piggy in the middle and was tired of the games. Hughes would not accept Cook, Marwood or the rest of the 'transfer advisory team' to help select targets.
Mancini was more than happy to accept this situation. Soriano and Begiristain were not even in the club the summer we recruited Sinclair, Garcia and co.
The problem for Mancini became when he had someone he was accountable to who actually knew about football, what was happening on the pitch and in the dressing room.
He could gild the lily no longer with our 'wet behind the ears' owners, who have only ever tried to do the very best with the man they had in charge.
Begiristain had been in the job a matter of weeks but we were already out of the Champions League and Premier League equation.
Mancini took this club for an absolute ride, playing people and the fans off against each other for his own end, even negotiating with other clubs after a title season.
Spin the story to suit your agenda all you like tolmie - that's fine by me.
The fact is by not strengthening when we had won the title has in reality cost us 2 more titles - last season and this season. Both of these titles were there for the taking and we have allowed them to meekly to slip from our grasp and the question needs to be asked WHY?
If we had brought in a few quality players after the 2012 win we would have won it last year of that I am convinced. Instead we brought in a bunch of average (at best) 'squad players'. It was a fuck up of monumental proportions and we are still paying the price for it.
tolmie's hairdoo
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skybluepete said:tolmie's hairdoo said:TGR said:The Barca boys wanted out and out control and they got it. Therefore they have to take responsibility for this season also. We should have bought quality players after winning the title to strengthen and improve the squad regardless of if Mancini was staying or going. They didn't. Those chose to play games instead and we ended up with a bunch of less than mediocre players right at the death of the window instead.
They put their own ambitions and desires in front of those of the club by doing so.
You reap what you sow...
Absolute rubbish.
Mancini had butted heads with Khaldoon the two previous seasons with regards the transfer policy, as with Cook, as with Marwood.
The club told him we had to cut our cloth and to get the best out of some of our higher-profile signings, hardly an unreasonable request when you consider a title-winning team.
Mancini had to be informed by Sheikh Mansour in Abu Dhabi what the club needed to do as they made their moves towards balancing the books.
Mancini was on the verge of the sack AFTER the title winning season simply because he held the club to ransom over his demands and delayed his contract renewal, the club knew they risked a fan meltdown after a title season.
Khaldoon had become sick and tired of playing piggy in the middle and was tired of the games. Hughes would not accept Cook, Marwood or the rest of the 'transfer advisory team' to help select targets.
Mancini was more than happy to accept this situation. Soriano and Begiristain were not even in the club the summer we recruited Sinclair, Garcia and co.
The problem for Mancini became when he had someone he was accountable to who actually knew about football, what was happening on the pitch and in the dressing room.
He could gild the lily no longer with our 'wet behind the ears' owners, who have only ever tried to do the very best with the man they had in charge.
Begiristain had been in the job a matter of weeks but we were already out of the Champions League and Premier League equation.
Mancini took this club for an absolute ride, playing people and the fans off against each other for his own end, even negotiating with other clubs after a title season.
Didnt do bad in my eyes considering he was taking the club for an absolute ride !!
And this is his greatest achievement. Establishing his bullshit narrative well after he has gone.
To the detriment of our team, our supporter base, even to the point that our owner and chairman get very little credit for running the club.