My belief

[TGR]

Absolute rubbish.

Mancini had butted heads with Khaldoon the two previous seasons with regards the transfer policy, as with Cook, as with Marwood.

The club told him we had to cut our cloth and to get the best out of some of our higher-profile signings, hardly an unreasonable request when you consider a title-winning team.

Mancini had to be informed by Sheikh Mansour in Abu Dhabi what the club needed to do as they made their moves towards balancing the books.

Mancini was on the verge of the sack AFTER the title winning season simply because he held the club to ransom over his demands and delayed his contract renewal, the club knew they risked a fan meltdown after a title season.

Khaldoon had become sick and tired of playing piggy in the middle and was tired of the games. Hughes would not accept Cook, Marwood or the rest of the 'transfer advisory team' to help select targets.

Mancini was more than happy to accept this situation. Soriano and Begiristain were not even in the club the summer we recruited Sinclair, Garcia and co.

The problem for Mancini became when he had someone he was accountable to who actually knew about football, what was happening on the pitch and in the dressing room.

He could gild the lily no longer with our 'wet behind the ears' owners, who have only ever tried to do the very best with the man they had in charge.

Begiristain had been in the job a matter of weeks but we were already out of the Champions League and Premier League equation.

Mancini took this club for an absolute ride, playing people and the fans off against each other for his own end, even negotiating with other clubs after a title season.

Didnt do bad in my eyes considering he was taking the club for an absolute ride !!

And this is his greatest achievement. Establishing his bullshit narrative well after he has gone.

To the detriment of our team, our supporter base, even to the point that our owner and chairman get very little credit for running the club.

billyshears in disguise....
billyshears in disguise!

 

[oldius]

It's a shame that we're still discussing Mancini. He's forever a part of the club but he has long gone and we have moved on.

For better or worse, we support City, full stop.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

However we look at Mancini V Pelli, Mancini was more popular with match going fans and delivered much more at a time when we were striving for the top rather than a seemingly easier job when we were already there.

I doubt if the Cup Final situation happened with Pelli the fans would be so vocal in his support.

It all depends what we want. At the moment José is probably the best manager on the country but he's a cnut. If you're prepared to support a gobshite for titles and cup's he's your man and he'd be our cnut.

Don't know what the answer is but things still don't seem right in the club at most levels.

Think a bit like the players I've had enough at the moment.

 

[Damocles]

And this is his greatest achievement. Establishing his bullshit narrative well after he has gone.

To the detriment of our team, our supporter base, even to the point that our owner and chairman get very little credit for running the club.

This is attempting to cut your cloth both ways.

You can't say that you take issue with fans downplaying the achievement of Khaldoon for running the club successfully whilst downplaying the achievement of the manager for winning the league successfully.

That's a bullshit narrative all of its own.

 

[Anonymous]

* because he didn't have a contract and didn't know whether he'd have a job in three months time.

I helpfully added a bit of information you missed out there Tolm

Mancini resigned the week after the title win because he had expected to be given more power after winning it, but found out the appointments of Soriano and Txiki would lead to a decrease in his power base. In many ways the rot of last season set in at that point. The club were always on a hiding to nothing. They obviously wanted to respect his achievement as a manager in winning the title but they weren't prepared to give Mancini the keys to the castle so to speak. They did give him a fat new contract though and they did ask him to temper his ways and become more of the manager Abu Dhabi were looking for. I guess it was naive on their part to think Mancini would change and become more inclusive.

 

[skybluepete]

The Barca boys wanted out and out control and they got it. Therefore they have to take responsibility for this season also. We should have bought quality players after winning the title to strengthen and improve the squad regardless of if Mancini was staying or going. They didn't. Those chose to play games instead and we ended up with a bunch of less than mediocre players right at the death of the window instead.
They put their own ambitions and desires in front of those of the club by doing so.
You reap what you sow...

Absolute rubbish.

Mancini had butted heads with Khaldoon the two previous seasons with regards the transfer policy, as with Cook, as with Marwood.

The club told him we had to cut our cloth and to get the best out of some of our higher-profile signings, hardly an unreasonable request when you consider a title-winning team.

Mancini had to be informed by Sheikh Mansour in Abu Dhabi what the club needed to do as they made their moves towards balancing the books.

Mancini was on the verge of the sack AFTER the title winning season simply because he held the club to ransom over his demands and delayed his contract renewal, the club knew they risked a fan meltdown after a title season.

Khaldoon had become sick and tired of playing piggy in the middle and was tired of the games. Hughes would not accept Cook, Marwood or the rest of the 'transfer advisory team' to help select targets.

Mancini was more than happy to accept this situation. Soriano and Begiristain were not even in the club the summer we recruited Sinclair, Garcia and co.

The problem for Mancini became when he had someone he was accountable to who actually knew about football, what was happening on the pitch and in the dressing room.

He could gild the lily no longer with our 'wet behind the ears' owners, who have only ever tried to do the very best with the man they had in charge.

Begiristain had been in the job a matter of weeks but we were already out of the Champions League and Premier League equation.

Mancini took this club for an absolute ride, playing people and the fans off against each other for his own end, even negotiating with other clubs after a title season.

Spin the story to suit your agenda all you like tolmie - that's fine by me.
The fact is by not strengthening when we had won the title has in reality cost us 2 more titles - last season and this season. Both of these titles were there for the taking and we have allowed them to meekly to slip from our grasp and the question needs to be asked WHY?
If we had brought in a few quality players after the 2012 win we would have won it last year of that I am convinced. Instead we brought in a bunch of average (at best) 'squad players'. It was a fuck up of monumental proportions and we are still paying the price for it.

Iv just posted similar - totally agree sir.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

The Barca boys wanted out and out control and they got it. Therefore they have to take responsibility for this season also. We should have bought quality players after winning the title to strengthen and improve the squad regardless of if Mancini was staying or going. They didn't. Those chose to play games instead and we ended up with a bunch of less than mediocre players right at the death of the window instead.
They put their own ambitions and desires in front of those of the club by doing so.
You reap what you sow...

Absolute rubbish.

Mancini had butted heads with Khaldoon the two previous seasons with regards the transfer policy, as with Cook, as with Marwood.

The club told him we had to cut our cloth and to get the best out of some of our higher-profile signings, hardly an unreasonable request when you consider a title-winning team.

Mancini had to be informed by Sheikh Mansour in Abu Dhabi what the club needed to do as they made their moves towards balancing the books.

Mancini was on the verge of the sack AFTER the title winning season simply because he held the club to ransom over his demands and delayed his contract renewal, the club knew they risked a fan meltdown after a title season.

Khaldoon had become sick and tired of playing piggy in the middle and was tired of the games. Hughes would not accept Cook, Marwood or the rest of the 'transfer advisory team' to help select targets.

Mancini was more than happy to accept this situation. Soriano and Begiristain were not even in the club the summer we recruited Sinclair, Garcia and co.

The problem for Mancini became when he had someone he was accountable to who actually knew about football, what was happening on the pitch and in the dressing room.

He could gild the lily no longer with our 'wet behind the ears' owners, who have only ever tried to do the very best with the man they had in charge.

Begiristain had been in the job a matter of weeks but we were already out of the Champions League and Premier League equation.

Mancini took this club for an absolute ride, playing people and the fans off against each other for his own end, even negotiating with other clubs after a title season.

Spin the story to suit your agenda all you like tolmie - that's fine by me.
The fact is by not strengthening when we had won the title has in reality cost us 2 more titles - last season and this season. Both of these titles were there for the taking and we have allowed them to meekly to slip from our grasp and the question needs to be asked WHY?
If we had brought in a few quality players after the 2012 win we would have won it last year of that I am convinced. Instead we brought in a bunch of average (at best) 'squad players'. It was a fuck up of monumental proportions and we are still paying the price for it.

Both of these titles were there for the taking?

Whilst I'm inclined to agree, you contradict yourself a little.

Mancini was still allowed to spend £50m on a title-winning team in the summer of 2012.

He was out of the Champions League, without a win, before the fireworks had stopped in November, same goes for the Premier League, where we finished how many points behind?

Your assertion that spending heavily on the squad would guarantee another title, sadly, appears wrong this season.

Pellegrini spent £100m and some are now calling it failure.

Mancini adds £50m to a title-winning team, having spent £300m, previously, but he's no failure, he's been let down.

He demanded Van Persie, De Rossi, Thiago Silva, Hazard, best part of what? £140m?

Both will have failed.

 

[cookster]

He demanded Van Persie, De Rossi, Thiago Silva, Hazard, best part of what? £140m

Not bad players, I'm sure with them in tow we'd be looking at 3 in a row.

Looks like Mancini was right.

 

[skybluepete]

Absolute rubbish.

Mancini had butted heads with Khaldoon the two previous seasons with regards the transfer policy, as with Cook, as with Marwood.

The club told him we had to cut our cloth and to get the best out of some of our higher-profile signings, hardly an unreasonable request when you consider a title-winning team.

Mancini had to be informed by Sheikh Mansour in Abu Dhabi what the club needed to do as they made their moves towards balancing the books.

Mancini was on the verge of the sack AFTER the title winning season simply because he held the club to ransom over his demands and delayed his contract renewal, the club knew they risked a fan meltdown after a title season.

Khaldoon had become sick and tired of playing piggy in the middle and was tired of the games. Hughes would not accept Cook, Marwood or the rest of the 'transfer advisory team' to help select targets.

Mancini was more than happy to accept this situation. Soriano and Begiristain were not even in the club the summer we recruited Sinclair, Garcia and co.

The problem for Mancini became when he had someone he was accountable to who actually knew about football, what was happening on the pitch and in the dressing room.

He could gild the lily no longer with our 'wet behind the ears' owners, who have only ever tried to do the very best with the man they had in charge.

Begiristain had been in the job a matter of weeks but we were already out of the Champions League and Premier League equation.

Mancini took this club for an absolute ride, playing people and the fans off against each other for his own end, even negotiating with other clubs after a title season.

Didnt do bad in my eyes considering he was taking the club for an absolute ride !!

And this is his greatest achievement. Establishing his bullshit narrative well after he has gone.

To the detriment of our team, our supporter base, even to the point that our owner and chairman get very little credit for running the club.

Your taking it somewhere else tolmie, i never really mentioned the owners or khaldoon, i shall along with many be forever thankful to these gentleman, just was really stating the obvious that you strengthen year on year, not massively when you get to a particular level but there is always room to freshen up because invariably there is a player that has become stale or a little unhappy- thats football.
Mar wood might have been under the directive of khaldoon but i think mar wood got it wrong and Mancini had it right thats all.
In general , most liked the passion shown by Mancini, it livened up our stadium when he went on one.eg moyes
I've moved on , i will always appreciate that his team , along with the owners etc... Brought us a firt success in a very long time.
I hope pellegrini can do that and more because its progression for a club like ours needs for all the investment from the best owners of a football club in the world.

 

[wearethesouthstand]

"mancini was talking to other clubs"...

mancini delivered. end of. and backed more would have delivered again. he would have been ruthless and broke up the team and got rid of some of the players who have made individual mistakes this season.

here's the point. pellegrini has a benchmark to follow and that is mancini's title win. we went 1 round further in europe with an easy draw.

the usual suspects were on here all season during the title winning season saying mancini's going, mourinho is coming in we had it all season.

if mancini felt the jury on him was out and had to win the league to keep his job why would he not speak to other clubs especially if they have approached him.

he will have known full well of mourinho rumours and at no point in his career had anyone at City publicly reassure him about his future.

spending whatever to get us there in the first place well thats what it needed to get us there.

but to improve on yaya toure silva and others you need players same level or better. not squad players the first of which arrive the week before the community shield.

if we don't win the league we have underachieved slightly this season and you can trace the slip to the summer of 2012 and not strengthening whilst champions. blackburn did exactly the same