Nathan Ake

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Ok, I should put it right:
of course we may have up to 4+17 association-trained players.

But this is pure theory.
Since when do we not want to have 17 non-HG players on our 17 free slots?

Aké swap for Ota means no slot for Koulibaly. Is that what @domalino wants to promote?
Perhaps it's just the way you've been phrasing it but if you put a full 25 man squad in (you don't have to have the maximum BTW), then you could have 25 club trained players. 4 would take the club trained spots(CT) spots, 4 would take the association trained(AT) spots and the other 17 would take the open spots(not foreign spots but open).

If you've got no (over 21) CT players then you're restricted on the 'A' list to a 21 man squad maximum presuming you've got at least 4 AT players. If you've got no AT players either then the 'A' list is restricted to 17 open spots. 2 of which BTW have to be goalies. You can if needed include a U21 goalie in the 'A' list just to fulfil the requirements although that would be the extreme example.
 
Last summer Cancelo took Danilo's open spot and Kompany's was taken by Rodri. It's why we couldn't sign a foreign CB cause Otamendi didnt go

We couldN’t make a deal for a top centre back. Kompany’s decision to go was made fairly late (in terms of recruiting top talent timescales) thst made it a bit trickier.
 
We couldN’t make a deal for a top centre back. Kompany’s decision to go was made fairly late (in terms of recruiting top talent timescales) thst made it a bit trickier.

We had targets but just didn't have a spot for them, it's why we went big on Maguire and didn't sign anyone after that
 
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