Negredo allegedly signed

[MCFC-alan88]

Re: Negredo just signed

Definitely, but Barcelona signed Messi and had an academy good enough to produce the likes of Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets. We don't and won't have for a very long time.

But that isn't what you said.

So what did I say then?! An overview: I understand what we're trying to do, I just don't agree with it, because they had Messi + far better academy. To compensate, we need to sign the occasional player who breaks the mould, i.e. Ibrahimovic, because we cannot create a great side using the methods of Barcelona just yet.

If you took anything other than that from what I've said, it's your problem.

We have already signed players that break the mould, i.e Aguero, Silva etc.

Ibrahimovic is a bad example because as a previous poster has already stated, it becomes the Zlatan show and that is the complete opposite of what we need in regards to team cohesion, completely ignoring the aspect of the "holistic" approach. Signing him would undo all of the good work that has happened over the last 2 months.

 

[milnrow blue]

Re: Negredo just signed

Underwhelmed. We've missed out on an opportunity here, Ibrahimovic was available but we've settled for a player in Negredo who will be fourth choice by the end of the season. £20m on a 27 year old fourth choice player? Not good. This 'holistic' approach where we cut out any problem players is really starting to grind on me, we could have secured Ibrahimovic on a three year deal and got two or three years of world class service from him.

Negredo isn't better than Dzeko, you'll all be sick of him within 12 months I can guarantee it. Our first choice line up should look like -

------------Aguero
Silva/Nasri--Jovetic--Silva/Navas

Which means we have back up in the form of Negredo and Dzeko, two similar players, and the only back up for that #10 spot is Nasri/Silva who lack goals. I'd much rather, if we're cost cutting and avoiding 'problem players', we used Guidetti for fourth choice, or signed a new, young striker to take that fourth choice spot.

you have no idea how pelli wants to set his team up and by all accounts he aint no 4th choice especially with what Negredo has been saying about pelli convincing him to join us.

What are you talking about? There are only so many variables in the way you can set a side up, and knowing Pellegrini like I do, it's quite obvious he'll employ the 4231/4222. It's Pellegrini's job to convince him to join, he's hardly going to put him off is he?! The only thing Negredo could possibly bring to the side that Dzeko can't is work rate, and that's irrelevant when we should be starting with Aguero and Jovetic. Dzeko and Negredo will fight for third choice, simple as that, and Dzeko is a much better goal scorer. Negredo fourth choice by next May, mark my words.

think your wrong mate Negredo can play as the front striker with Aguero behind him , if that is not working Aguero could go up top.or bring Jovetic on, with further options still left on the bench

 

[Jumanji]

Re: Negredo just signed

The fee is much lower than was being reported, only £16.4m up front with a few in future addons.

If that's the case, I'm going to slap the next motherfucker who complains.

 

[hgblue]

Re: Negredo just signed

Definitely, but Barcelona signed Messi and had an academy good enough to produce the likes of Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets. We don't and won't have for a very long time.

But that isn't what you said.

So what did I say then?! An overview: I understand what we're trying to do, I just don't agree with it, because they had Messi + far better academy. To compensate, we need to sign the occasional player who breaks the mould, i.e. Ibrahimovic, because we cannot create a great side using the methods of Barcelona just yet.

If you took anything other than that from what I've said, it's your problem.

Not really noticed you before, but please stick around ;). Totally agree with everything you've said in this thread so far.

 

[MJMRuiz]

Re: Negredo just signed

I very much doubt Ibrahimovic would have been the best choice for our team - he's the biggest name who is currently available to us, but I don't think that's our focus any more, which seems to be pissing a lot of our fans off.

This is about team building, rather than amassing a list of names - its not as much fun for the Transfer junkies, but its how proper teams build their success.

Ibrahimovic in would have likely seen Aguero off at the first available opportunity - which is a heavy price to pay for a short-term fix.

Aguero would not leave at all, that's a ridiculous assumption to conjure up.

It's all well and good having "team spirit", but Everton have team spirit, that doesn't win you titles when your back's against the wall, individual brilliance does. You clearly don't know enough about Ibrahimovic if you think he's just a name, utter madness to think just because he's a world class player he's not going to be part of a team.

I'm not talking about team spirit, but well done for missing the point - I'm talking about building a team. We've got plenty of individual brilliance in our side, which puts us well above Everton in terms of our aspirations (although their 'team spirit' does seem to beat us, every fucking season - so it must count for something!)

I don't think Ibrahimovic is 'just a name' - what I do think is that when he joins a Club, the Club becomes all about Ibrahimovic - everything goes through him, and he is the focal point of all the team's play, to the detriment of others in the team. Which is why in my opinion I feel Aguero wouldn't stick around to play a side role in the Zlatan show.

Ibrahimovic is the absolute antithesis of 'building a team', and for a short term fix who is fast approaching 32, to shape our entire team around him would be madness. What happens when he then retires, and our entire focus and game plan retires with him?

He's a No from me - however good a player he may be.

I do take all of that on board and you do raise some valid points; Ibrahimovic does need the side to be built around him, but that's not always such a bad thing.

Last season, we had nothing to build our side around, our attacks had no focal point and there was no clear objective, which I think is a necessity for any top side. Our attacking style consisted of work the ball to the opponent's third and move the ball until a gap opened up, then try to penetrate. If it doesn't open up, we eventually lose the ball. If the pass isn't perfect, we lose the ball. With Ibrahimovic, you know how have a player who can always be the focal point, who will always bring his teammates into play and contribute throughout a match. He's one of the best #9s in the world, you should be building teams around players like that.

He is a short term fix, but imo we don't currently have the requisite long term plans to be able to do without a short term fix. All I'm hoping for is that we get full seasons from Aguero and Jovetic (providing he signs), and we can build from there on in. Not getting my hopes up though

Re: the individual brilliance in our side, bar Aguero, and sometimes Yaya, I don't think our players actually produce anywhere near enough brilliance as they should. Silva and Nasri are severely lacking in end product. This is why I was gutted that Tevez was leaving, because when combined with Aguero, the pair would always deliver, technically brilliant footballers who know how to produce an end product and match winning contribution. Too many of our players are happy to sit back and let somebody else do that, but, I would like to assume that this was a fault of Mancini's.

 

[oakiecokie]

Re: Negredo just signed

Says more about the quality of our delivery imo. And the fact Dzeko's movement in the box is far superior to Negredo's. Dzeko is very proactive in the box.

What !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats the fucking last thing he is at City !!! Bone idle and will not bust a gut trying to get onto any balls that may fly across the area.You are obviously a Dzeko fan and certainly not a City fan if you think otherwise !!
Give me fucking strength.

You just don't understand the subtleties behind a striker's movement.

In that case you`ve never seen a live game of Citys when idle arse Dzeko plods about like a two legged pissed up spider.
Think you`ll find that Dzeko hasn`t got a fucking ounce of subtleness in his game.

 

[MJMRuiz]

Re: Negredo just signed

But that isn't what you said.

So what did I say then?! An overview: I understand what we're trying to do, I just don't agree with it, because they had Messi + far better academy. To compensate, we need to sign the occasional player who breaks the mould, i.e. Ibrahimovic, because we cannot create a great side using the methods of Barcelona just yet.

If you took anything other than that from what I've said, it's your problem.

Not really noticed you before, but please stick around ;). Totally agree with everything you've said in this thread so far.

Cheers mate, I don't usually go down well on MCFC forums because people hate seeing my hard hitting truths. I am a genuine student of the game, spending hours per day watching games, reading and writing football, so I'm a level or two above most posters. Those that agree with what I'm saying are usually pretty good posters themselves.

 

[Nicholas van Whatsisface]

Re: Negredo just signed

Aguero would not leave at all, that's a ridiculous assumption to conjure up.

It's all well and good having "team spirit", but Everton have team spirit, that doesn't win you titles when your back's against the wall, individual brilliance does. You clearly don't know enough about Ibrahimovic if you think he's just a name, utter madness to think just because he's a world class player he's not going to be part of a team.

I'm not talking about team spirit, but well done for missing the point - I'm talking about building a team. We've got plenty of individual brilliance in our side, which puts us well above Everton in terms of our aspirations (although their 'team spirit' does seem to beat us, every fucking season - so it must count for something!)

I don't think Ibrahimovic is 'just a name' - what I do think is that when he joins a Club, the Club becomes all about Ibrahimovic - everything goes through him, and he is the focal point of all the team's play, to the detriment of others in the team. Which is why in my opinion I feel Aguero wouldn't stick around to play a side role in the Zlatan show.

Ibrahimovic is the absolute antithesis of 'building a team', and for a short term fix who is fast approaching 32, to shape our entire team around him would be madness. What happens when he then retires, and our entire focus and game plan retires with him?

He's a No from me - however good a player he may be.

I do take all of that on board and you do raise some valid points; Ibrahimovic does need the side to be built around him, but that's not always such a bad thing.

Last season, we had nothing to build our side around, our attacks had no focal point and there was no clear objective, which I think is a necessity for any top side. Our attacking style consisted of work the ball to the opponent's third and move the ball until a gap opened up, then try to penetrate. If it doesn't open up, we eventually lose the ball. If the pass isn't perfect, we lose the ball. With Ibrahimovic, you know how have a player who can always be the focal point, who will always bring his teammates into play and contribute throughout a match. He's one of the best #9s in the world, you should be building teams around players like that.

He is a short term fix, but imo we don't currently have the requisite long term plans to be able to do without a short term fix. All I'm hoping for is that we get full seasons from Aguero and Jovetic (providing he signs), and we can build from there on in. Not getting my hopes up though

Re: the individual brilliance in our side, bar Aguero, and sometimes Yaya, I don't think our players actually produce anywhere near enough brilliance as they should. Silva and Nasri are severely lacking in end product. This is why I was gutted that Tevez was leaving, because when combined with Aguero, the pair would always deliver, technically brilliant footballers who know how to produce an end product and match winning contribution. Too many of our players are happy to sit back and let somebody else do that, but, I would like to assume that this was a fault of Mancini's.

Agreed on your last point - but I think that only really applies to last season. Aguero, Silva and Yaya (and, to be fair, Balotelli - but that was when Tevez was out of the picture) supplied plenty of moments of individual brilliance the season before to suggest they can do it again. And all are much more fitted to the team ethic than Ibrahimovic.

I do feel last season that Mancini's aggressive, distant approach wasn't working any more, and we had an unhappy and demotivated squad of players who didn't perform as they all had done the season before. I personally feel that there is plenty of individual brilliance to build a team around in Hart, Kompany, Yaya, Silva and Aguero - that's a pretty amazing spine to a team, and would be the equal of most of Europe's top sides. We've then added team players around that core to address specific requirements within the squad make up. Navas being one, and Fernandinho being another - complementing the core, rather than over-hauling it.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on Ibrahimovic - I feel it would be a disastrous move to disrupt all that for a 32 year old around whom we would have to shape everything we did - only for him to move on in a couple of years leaving us back at square one - and having risked losing the above players in the process. You feel that's a risk worth taking.

Without wanting to antagonise, it seems the Club is more in line with my argument than yours, so I guess at least one of us will be happy this season!

 

[oakiecokie]

Re: Negredo just signed

So what did I say then?! An overview: I understand what we're trying to do, I just don't agree with it, because they had Messi + far better academy. To compensate, we need to sign the occasional player who breaks the mould, i.e. Ibrahimovic, because we cannot create a great side using the methods of Barcelona just yet.

If you took anything other than that from what I've said, it's your problem.

Not really noticed you before, but please stick around ;). Totally agree with everything you've said in this thread so far.

Cheers mate, I don't usually go down well on MCFC forums because people hate seeing my hard hitting truths. I am a genuine student of the game, spending hours per day watching games, reading and writing football, so I'm a level or two above most posters. Those that agree with what I'm saying are usually pretty good posters themselves.

Fuck me that just about sums you up you fucking Wummer and bull shitter !!!!

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Re: Negredo just signed

Cheers mate, I don't usually go down well on MCFC forums because people hate seeing my hard hitting truths. I am a genuine student of the game, spending hours per day watching games, reading and writing football, so I'm a level or two above most posters. Those that agree with what I'm saying are usually pretty good posters themselves.