This very nicely sums up the problem with Joe Rogan and his listeners.
Joe Rogan isn't qualified to have a debate about the history of the middle east, and HR Mcmaster has an infamously one-sided and American perspective on the region.
That's not an informed or informative debate. It's a person with 1 opinion giving it to someone who doesn't know anything, who doesn't know if he's getting lied to, or bullshitted, or being the dumb host of some fringe conspiracy theories and damaging misinformation.
A proper, educational discussion would take the form of Radio 4's In Our Time.
There you have Melvyn Bragg, a guy with a 50 year career in non-fiction broadcasting who spends weeks researching each topic, and then 3 different experts, with differing opinions are on a panel and they have an hour long discussion about something.
That's serious discussion of big topics. Not a second rate comedian staring blankly at someone while they reel off their thesis and trying to bring every single subject back to psychedelic drugs or memes.
Being gormless and "asking questions" doesn't make you neutral. You have to know a topic to regulate and challenge your "interesting guests" when they try and misrepresent things. You have to know which questions to ask, and when.