Nelson Mandela RIP

[Banned Tosspot]

Give over you soft twat. I'm only taking the piss.

He is a legend though.

A murderer of women and children is a legend?

Fair enough soft twat.

Yes, yes he is.

I got this funny feeling more will turn at his funeral than yours.

I'm obviously talking to a child here so I'm out.

 

[jay_mcfc]

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[mcmanus]

A murderer of women and children is a legend?

Fair enough soft twat.

Yes, yes he is.

I got this funny feeling more will turn at his funeral than yours.

And I bet more turned to to Thatcher's than yours ;-)

Yep. But how were compesmentus (sp) at Maggie's?

Me and Phil got a decent send off.

 

[Aphex]

Even the gaudily loved Thatcher obituary showed both sides of the coin on the BBC. Let's hope when the dust settles, the same can be said of Mandela. Like other people have said.

Plus This Week wasn't broadcast.

 

[blue_paul]

Mandela/ANC killed and raped black people too. They were a terrorist organization.

I guess the IRA are worse to the cool kids/lefties as they are white.

It's the old finger pointing at its best.

No, it's as Matty pointed out in his brilliant post earlier. The IRA were living in a country where they were equal. Where they could vote, work and not be discriminated against because of your colour.

Catholics were not on an equal footing in Northern Ireland, discrimiation was rife.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Even the gaudily loved Thatcher obituary showed both sides of the coin on the BBC. Let's hope when the dust settles, the same can be said of Mandela. Like other people have said.

This is very fair comment. There seems to be a concerning, but not too surprising lack of dissenting voices as to Mandela's saint-like status.

The BBC are the same with the monarchy (which I broadly support) most especially BBC News.

If this thread is anything to go by, there are plenty of folk who think he had a prominent dark side, which is a perfectly acceptable view to hold even if it is one which I do not significantly share.

 

[dazdon]

Mandela/ANC killed and raped black people too. They were a terrorist organization.

I guess the IRA are worse to the cool kids/lefties as they are white.

It's the old finger pointing at its best.

No, it's as Matty pointed out in his brilliant post earlier. The IRA were living in a country where they were equal. Where they could vote, work and not be discriminated against because of your colour.

Catholics were not on an equal footing in Northern Ireland, discrimiation was rife.

Discrimination is rife everywhere and in every country and the main brunt of discrimination are the poor because they don't have access to protective mechanisms the well off do.

It doesn't however mean you can form a gang to kill and maim innocent people to garner support.

 

[Bilboblue]

Even the gaudily loved Thatcher obituary showed both sides of the coin on the BBC. Let's hope when the dust settles, the same can be said of Mandela. Like other people have said.

This is very fair comment. There seems to be a concerning, but not too surprising lack of dissenting voices as to Mandela's saint-like status.

The BBC are the same with the monarchy (which I broadly support) most especially BBC News.

If this thread is anything to go by, there are plenty of folk who think he had a prominent dark side, which is a perfectly acceptable view to hold even if it is one which I do not significantly share.

The last sentence there is spot on. Yet many call those criticising Mandelas actions racist, it's simply not the case.

I cannot bring myself to mourn someone that made the decisions he did, he is no better than Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness in my book.

It is quite brilliant what he did upon his release, but I'm not having the whitewashing of his sordid past.

 

[Esteban de la Sexface]

No, it's as Matty pointed out in his brilliant post earlier. The IRA were living in a country where they were equal. Where they could vote, work and not be discriminated against because of your colour.

Catholics were not on an equal footing in Northern Ireland, discrimiation was rife.

Discrimination is rife everywhere and in every country and the main brunt of discrimination are the poor because they don't have access to protective mechanisms the well off do.

It doesn't however mean you can form a gang to kill and maim innocent people to garner support.

The act of terror is usually the last response of the desperate. I don't agree with terrorism or support it in anyway shape or form. I can understand why people are driven to it.
It is sad that we live in a world where there is oppression, war and terrorism. All fueled by hatred and fear.

Mandela should have been the poster boy for a hate campaign against the regime that imprisoned him for 27 years. He could have caused untold bloodshed upon his release, with words of hate. While imprisoned he reflected on his life and the situation and came out preaching words of unity and peace for both races.


This is like any other debate on Bluemoon. There are very few willing to listen to the other sides argument.

We can condemn him for his early years, while at the same time forgiving him and respecting him for becoming the man he became. It is futile to argue one point without acknowledging the other.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Catholics were not on an equal footing in Northern Ireland, discrimiation was rife.

Discrimination is rife everywhere and in every country and the main brunt of discrimination are the poor because they don't have access to protective mechanisms the well off do.

It doesn't however mean you can form a gang to kill and maim innocent people to garner support.

The act of terror is usually the last response of the desperate. I don't agree with terrorism or support it in anyway shape or form. I can understand why people are driven to it.
It is sad that we live in a world where there is oppression, war and terrorism. All fueled by hatred and fear.

Mandela should have been the poster boy for a hate campaign against the regime that imprisoned him for 27 years. He could have caused untold bloodshed upon his release, with words of hate. While imprisoned he reflected on his life and the situation and came out preaching words of unity and peace for both races.


This is like any other debate on Bluemoon. There are very few willing to listen to the other sides argument.

We can condemn him for his early years, while at the same time forgiving him and respecting him for becoming the man he became. It is futile to argue one point without acknowledging the other.

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