Nelson Mandela RIP

[jay_mcfc]

I don't know much about it personally but for all the hate coming his way I can only say this

Perhaps in the dark days of South Africa where you have no rights, no freedom and you are valued no higher than a dog then perhaps you live by a completely different set of rules. What do you do in a place where you are killed because of the colour of your skin, your women raped, your children beaten ? What do you do when nobody cares ? Who do you tell ? If I had to fight for my family against tyrany then I could honestly say regardless of my morals and values I WOULD kill. I'd say walk a day in that mans shoes and then judge his life. I bet he wishes things could have been different but that would have involved fairness and equality, something many have died for.


RIP Mandela

Yep

 

[dazdon]

Will he be buried somewhere nice?

Next to his victims.

Elton John is rubbing his hands at the impending Soweto booking.

 

[Esteban de la Sexface]

During the run up to the elections in 1994, the two main black parties were the Xhosa (a SA tribe to which Mandela belongs) dominated ANC led by Mandela, and the Zulu Inkatha party. As the Zulu´s were the largest tribe in SA, the ANC, who had waged a armed conflict against the white government, were afraid they would lose the elections, so, under the orders of Mandela, the ANC cadres were sent to "persuade" the Zulu´s to support the ANC. The only way these animals campaigned for their party was to slaughter the Inkatha supporters. Anyone with allegiance to Inkatha was simply killed and an estimated 50,000 Zulu´s were killed in the most ghastly manner in the 2 years leading up to the elections.

Mainly, rural villages were burned to the ground in the Inkatha areas, and anyone trying to flee from the burning huts was either shot or hacked to death with machetes, men woman and children, as well as live stock. Nothing was spared. All these killings were done in the name of, and with the blessing of, the ANC and Nelson Mandela, who was the leader of the ANC party.

Come back to me when you are willing to add a paragraph on all the good he performed and lives he saved.

I accept that what was done was wrong. I also put forward that if a man changes who he is and performs good deeds for the benefit of all races within his nation then he can be forgive. Some aren't willing to forgive, and I can't understand why not. The man was a living contrast. To discuss his life with particular focus on one time frame does not give a clear picture.

You need to judge it from the beginning to the end.

I personally think the good far outweighed the bad, and if you cannot come to the same conclusion and get hung up on the negatives. Then I feel for you.

If the poster you're quoting is correct in what he says, then that puts a very different slant on the man IMO. I've no issue whatsoever with him carrying out acts of sabotage directly against his country's oppressive rulers (as he did all those years ago) but how the estimated deaths of 50,000 innocent civilians (and black civilians at that, the very people whose freedom he was supposed to be fighting for) at the hands of his party and seemingly with his blessing can be explained away because the good things he did "outweighed the bad" is a bizarre stance to take. Sorry, but that puts him in Mugabe territory which is something I thought I'd never say about Mandela.

I'll say again. Africa is a brutal continent where one life does not mean anything. I find this abhorrent, as do most civilized people. If Mandela was responsible for the deaths of 50,000 innocents then he surely does deserve condemnation for that.

His actions helped to bring an end to apartheid in South Africa and for the remaining years of his life he preached unity and peace for everyone, fully inclusive in South Africa.

He ended life and he created life, for a whole country. How different would South Africa be today if Mandela hadn't been released or was released and preached hatred. Trade Sanctions, Death, Famine, War.

For good or bad he has shaped the World we live in and has touched the lives of many people. I think he has earned his sleep.

 

[AntiUnited]

Why are people bringing up his past.. Him, Malcom X, and martin Luther king are heroes imo. They stood up to racism and won. No need to dig up shit about terrorism and all that petty shit. They called malcom X, and luther king terrorist at the time and got killed..

 

[Esteban de la Sexface]

 

[Blue Til Death]

Why are people bringing up his past.. Him, Malcom X, and martin Luther king are heroes imo. They stood up to racism and won. No need to dig up shit about terrorism and all that petty shit. They called malcom X, and luther king terrorist at the time and got killed..

Are you taking Illegal substances at the moment? "No need to dig up petty shit about terrorism"??? Would that apply if one of your family were one of his victims then.. Thought not!

 

[dazdon]

Why are people bringing up his past.. Him, Malcom X, and martin Luther king are heroes imo. They stood up to racism and won. No need to dig up shit about terrorism and all that petty shit. They called malcom X, and luther king terrorist at the time and got killed..

Are you taking Illegal substances at the moment? "No need to dig up shit about terrorism"??? Would that apply if one of your family were one of his victims then.. Thought not!

You missed "And all that PETTY shit" :-o

 

[Dakeb]

Here my prediction.

Without the calming presence of Mandela uniting the tribes, I believe a Zulu revolution against the ruling ANC Xhosa oppression will happen within the next decade. Rwanda will look like a picnic in comparison.

The ANC is now widely held as a byword for corruption and gangster criminality after abandoning millions of its supporters to destitution in a scramble for personal enrichment of its leaders.

There will be an escalation of violent strikes by migrant workers and genocide will be committed by the ruling oppressors. The economy will continue to suffer and this will lead to civil war.

There is an election next year.This is where it all begins.

 

[dazdon]

Here my prediction.

Without the calming presence of Mandela uniting the tribes, I believe a Zulu revolution against the ruling ANC Xhosa oppression will happen within the next decade. Rwanda will look like a picnic in comparison.

The ANC is now widely held as a byword for corruption and gangster criminality after abandoning millions of its supporters to destitution in a scramble for personal enrichment of its leaders.

There will be an escalation of violent strikes by migrant workers and genocide will be committed by the ruling oppressors. The economy will continue to suffer and this will lead to civil war.

You can't say that...you'll upset the resident professional mourners ffs!!

 

[Blue Til Death]

Why are people bringing up his past.. Him, Malcom X, and martin Luther king are heroes imo. They stood up to racism and won. No need to dig up shit about terrorism and all that petty shit. They called malcom X, and luther king terrorist at the time and got killed..

Are you taking Illegal substances at the moment? "No need to dig up shit about terrorism"??? Would that apply if one of your family were one of his victims then.. Thought not!

You missed "And all that PETTY shit" :-o

Indeed mate ..edited, but too late