Nelson Mandela RIP

[bobmcfc]

I don't know much about it personally but for all the hate coming his way I can only say this

Perhaps in the dark days of South Africa where you have no rights, no freedom and you are valued no higher than a dog then perhaps you live by a completely different set of rules. What do you do in a place where you are killed because of the colour of your skin, your women raped, your children beaten ? What do you do when nobody cares ? Who do you tell ? If I had to fight for my family against tyrany then I could honestly say regardless of my morals and values I WOULD kill. I'd say walk a day in that mans shoes and then judge his life. I bet he wishes things could have been different but that would have involved fairness and equality, something many have died for.


RIP Mandela

Great post bob

Unfortunately though some people are very judgemental whilst knowing nowt.

I didn't know what else to say really. It's easy for us to sit here with our democracy, safe homes and safe streets and sit here In Judgement of a man who just wanted to feel safe and to have the same liberties afforded to everyone. I cannot imagine what the lives of black people were like in SA or in America. We watch films that kind of give us a idea of it and it's horrifying ! It's easy to say he did this or his party did that but if we live in the conditions they did then can we not look a little deeper ? I'm not saying everyone was perfect and I'm not saying there wasn't evil people in his party but the whole system and country needed so much work it was never going to become this perfect utopia overnight, intact it was never ever going to be anything close to perfect after so many years of persecution,hatred,resentment and mistrust

How do you even begin to repair it ? I think he managed great things with what he had to work with and got as close to harmony as anyone could.

And he binned Winnie pretty much as soon as he came out didn't he ?

 

[mackenzie]

I don't know much about it personally but for all the hate coming his way I can only say this

Perhaps in the dark days of South Africa where you have no rights, no freedom and you are valued no higher than a dog then perhaps you live by a completely different set of rules. What do you do in a place where you are killed because of the colour of your skin, your women raped, your children beaten ? What do you do when nobody cares ? Who do you tell ? If I had to fight for my family against tyrany then I could honestly say regardless of my morals and values I WOULD kill. I'd say walk a day in that mans shoes and then judge his life. I bet he wishes things could have been different but that would have involved fairness and equality, something many have died for.


RIP Mandela

Great post bob

Unfortunately though some people are very judgemental whilst knowing nowt.[/quote]


Haha ..........you can see the irony of your post can't you ? Please tell me it was deliberate and you were on the wum.......

You are obviously dying to tell me so go on then.

 

[Davs 19]

Great post bob

Unfortunately though some people are very judgemental whilst knowing nowt.[/quote]


Haha ..........you can see the irony of your post can't you ? Please tell me it was deliberate and you were on the wum.......

You are obviously dying to tell me so go on then.

Not really. Just amused me that you've "adjudged "that some on here have been "judgemental" while "knowing nowt"......in your judgement of course :)..........somehow I think you already knew that though........

 

[mcmanus]

I don't know much about it personally but for all the hate coming his way I can only say this

Perhaps in the dark days of South Africa where you have no rights, no freedom and you are valued no higher than a dog then perhaps you live by a completely different set of rules. What do you do in a place where you are killed because of the colour of your skin, your women raped, your children beaten ? What do you do when nobody cares ? Who do you tell ? If I had to fight for my family against tyrany then I could honestly say regardless of my morals and values I WOULD kill. I'd say walk a day in that mans shoes and then judge his life. I bet he wishes things could have been different but that would have involved fairness and equality, something many have died for.


RIP Mandela

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Great post bob

Unfortunately though some people are very judgemental whilst knowing nowt.

I didn't know what else to say really. It's easy for us to sit here with our democracy, safe homes and safe streets and sit here In Judgement of a man who just wanted to feel safe and to have the same liberties afforded to everyone. I cannot imagine what the lives of black people were like in SA or in America. We watch films that kind of give us a idea of it and it's horrifying ! It's easy to say he did this or his party did that but if we live in the conditions they did then can we not look a little deeper ? I'm not saying everyone was perfect and I'm not saying there wasn't evil people in his party but the whole system and country needed so much work it was never going to become this perfect utopia overnight, intact it was never ever going to be anything close to perfect after so many years of persecution,hatred,resentment and mistrust

How do you even begin to repair it ? I think he managed great things with what he had to work with and got as close to harmony as anyone could.

And he binned Winnie pretty much as soon as he came out didn't he ?

1 poster, 2 great posts. Ta Bob.

 

[scotty123]

Blueish swede. Thank you for being eloquent enough to post what I have been trying to say all day in a single post.

Fantastic post.

Fantastic post my rectum, hes a Swede, the most hand wringing, liberal we want to be neutral bunch of herring munchers in Europe

yet another generalisation demonising an entire country. You're good at this shit.

Aahh stonerblue on my case again, whats up with you? are you some kind of stalker weirdy fuck who follows me around bluemoon?
No hang on you might be the husband of the woman i was banging about a year ago while he was at the match, fuckin early leavers, nearly caught me on the job but i legged it through the back door leaving my blue underpants behind, bit of a giveaway that wasnt it?

 

[mackenzie]

Great post bob

Unfortunately though some people are very judgemental whilst knowing nowt.[/quote]


Haha ..........you can see the irony of your post can't you ? Please tell me it was deliberate and you were on the wum.......

You are obviously dying to tell me so go on then.

Not really. Just amused me that you've "adjudged "that some on here have been "judgemental" while "knowing nowt"......in your judgement of course :)..........somehow I think you already knew that though........

I think it's safe to say though that some HAVE been judgemental whilst knowing nowt. It's not that hard to see in all honesty.

I

 

[CITYBOY1000]

I don't know much about it personally but for all the hate coming his way I can only say this

Perhaps in the dark days of South Africa where you have no rights, no freedom and you are valued no higher than a dog then perhaps you live by a completely different set of rules. What do you do in a place where you are killed because of the colour of your skin, your women raped, your children beaten ? What do you do when nobody cares ? Who do you tell ? If I had to fight for my family against tyrany then I could honestly say regardless of my morals and values I WOULD kill. I'd say walk a day in that mans shoes and then judge his life. I bet he wishes things could have been different but that would have involved fairness and equality, something many have died for.


RIP Mandela

Great post bob

Unfortunately though some people are very judgemental whilst knowing nowt.

I didn't know what else to say really. It's easy for us to sit here with our democracy, safe homes and safe streets and sit here In Judgement of a man who just wanted to feel safe and to have the same liberties afforded to everyone. I cannot imagine what the lives of black people were like in SA or in America. We watch films that kind of give us a idea of it and it's horrifying ! It's easy to say he did this or his party did that but if we live in the conditions they did then can we not look a little deeper ? I'm not saying everyone was perfect and I'm not saying there wasn't evil people in his party but the whole system and country needed so much work it was never going to become this perfect utopia overnight, intact it was never ever going to be anything close to perfect after so many years of persecution,hatred,resentment and mistrust

How do you even begin to repair it ? I think he managed great things with what he had to work with and got as close to harmony as anyone could.

And he binned Winnie pretty much as soon as he came out didn't he ?

When did he 'come out' ?

I never knew that.

 

[bobmcfc]

Great post bob

Unfortunately though some people are very judgemental whilst knowing nowt.

I didn't know what else to say really. It's easy for us to sit here with our democracy, safe homes and safe streets and sit here In Judgement of a man who just wanted to feel safe and to have the same liberties afforded to everyone. I cannot imagine what the lives of black people were like in SA or in America. We watch films that kind of give us a idea of it and it's horrifying ! It's easy to say he did this or his party did that but if we live in the conditions they did then can we not look a little deeper ? I'm not saying everyone was perfect and I'm not saying there wasn't evil people in his party but the whole system and country needed so much work it was never going to become this perfect utopia overnight, intact it was never ever going to be anything close to perfect after so many years of persecution,hatred,resentment and mistrust

How do you even begin to repair it ? I think he managed great things with what he had to work with and got as close to harmony as anyone could.

And he binned Winnie pretty much as soon as he came out didn't he ?

When did he 'come out' ?

I never knew that.

Lol

 

[Davs 19]

You are obviously dying to tell me so go on then.

Not really. Just amused me that you've "adjudged "that some on here have been "judgemental" while "knowing nowt"......in your judgement of course :)..........somehow I think you already knew that though........

I think it's safe to say though that some HAVE been judgemental whilst knowing nowt. It's not that hard to see in all honesty.

I

Because they know nowt or because they have a different opinion ?

 

[Esteban de la Sexface]

Not really. Just amused me that you've "adjudged "that some on here have been "judgemental" while "knowing nowt"......in your judgement of course :)..........somehow I think you already knew that though........

I think it's safe to say though that some HAVE been judgemental whilst knowing nowt. It's not that hard to see in all honesty.

I

Because they know nowt or because they have a different opinion ?

Is it an informed opinion?