Netherlands General Election

Do people have genuinely concerns though, or do they reflect the concerns of the newspapers and grifters who hope they can profit over whipping up concerns about things that aren't really issues? I don't know the figures yet, but I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of voters voting for this anti-immigrant party will live in the places with the lowest number of immigrants (which has historically been the case in most countries). Which shows that it's absolutely nothing to do with their genuine day-to-day experience, and everything to do with politicians and the media creating an enemy or scapegoat for issues that these people really do have. It's the immigrants' fault that your rent/health insurance/food prices/energy prices/crime rates are so high. People had 'genuine concerns' about witches in the middle ages. Does that mean that those concerns should have been taken seriously? Well I guess if it was a democracy, it would have been important to. But it still doesn't mean those concerns weren't stupid.
That may be true but the press play off prejudices. Someone on the left doesn't suddenly turn far-right just by reading the Daily Mail. You can't remove prejudices because we all have them. So when it comes to views and stupidity it just depends on whether you're able to recognise prejudice and reason against it. For many people they can't and that isn't their fault, that doesn't make them stupid, it makes them human.

It's important to remember that the vast majority of the population doesn't watch daily rolling news and doesn't read newspapers or participate in politics at all. The greatest change over the last 10-15 years has not come from the profit making media, it now comes from uncontrolled news that we see on social media but there is very little you can do about it. Much of it isn't actually news and instead falls under the umbrella of 'free speech' which is its own pandoras box.

Personally I don't think that the so called traditional profit led media is a problem, we'll get a Labour government next year and how is that possible if everyone is so stupid and the media is so right-wing? Labour are the closest thing to the centre and that counts for something above all else. The country hasn't lurched from right to left, they're just tired. The same will happen to this geezer in Holland when they get tired of him.

The greatest threat at the moment comes from social media, that has led to increased radicalisation on both the hard left and far right. These people are rejecting democracy and instead demand a system of more radical and authoritative government that they believe can forceably implement solutions to the issues they care about.
 
Of course witches existed. Ignoring their alleged magic powers, the women who were accused existed, they just weren't causing the problems they were accused of. A bit like immigrants nowadays.

As for the newspapers, it's no secret that plenty of people spend millions every year to influence public opinion on a whole host of issues. You're crazy if you think these people are spending that sort of money and having no influence whatsoever on anyone who doesn't already believe everything they say. Do you think GB News makes a profit?

That's like saying you're an avocado because I called you one. Witches ain't real immigrants are. It twas that simple.

As for your second point people are easily influenced and stupid people more so. Why do these people get conned by the mail and Tommy two cells and not the the mirror and Gallaway for instance?

Why cant the intelligent scorners fool these stupid folk. Its not a closed club for the right only to talk shite.
 
That’s very dramatic. A cohort of People want controlled immigration and less asylum seekers, I doubt even a majority of his voters are extremists
Hyperbole, maybe, but it’s sad seeing the same people taken in by populism still be taken in by it even after their realisation that it doesn’t work.

Just shows there’s not much can be done.
 
That's like saying you're an avocado because I called you one. Witches ain't real immigrants are. It twas that simple.

As for your second point people are easily influenced and stupid people more so. Why do these people get conned by the mail and Tommy two cells and not the the mirror and Gallaway for instance?

Why cant the intelligent scorners fool these stupid folk. Its not a closed club for the right only to talk shite.

Once again you are ignoring motivation. Yes they all want power but one group want to help people the other wants to help themselves.

This is obviously a generalisation but a look at many different countries throughout history backs this up.
 
If that's true, why are we all on here speaking to people we disagree with?

Yeah bluemoons full of posters with reasoned non biased views and this often leads to posters changing their views on many a subject. What posters actually do is repeat the same thing day after day, year after year.

If anyone hasn't worked this out be very careful as they are ripe for some right wing brain washing:-)

Anyhow once upon a time in...........
 
He will not be able to form a government, he is simply too toxic.

This is one benefit of PR. While you get these extremist parties winning seats more often, it prevents them from consolidating the support needed to rule. He got 23% of the vote. In a FPTP system many could have seen him as a lesser evil providing him with just enough support to control parliament, much like Trump in the US.

As it is, he has to compromise with a range of other parties - of which there are 21 in total. Compromise not being a particular strength of populists. His 23% will be cut adrift and it will be left to the remaining 77% of actual grown-ups in the room to either form a functional government or go back to the polls.

Whatever that negotiation looks like it won’t be done for many months.
 
At the end of the day he only got 25% of the popular vote which means three quarters of Dutch voters don't agree with him. Differing systems can falsely magnify the outcome.Nimbylanders vs the urban progressives ...how do you reconcile these factions through parliamentary democracy these days? I suppose just let the numbers play out in the various chambers as long as things aren't Gerrymandered to fuck.
He stands little chance of heading a government it would seem
Still a "stunning victory" according to the BBC
 
Still a "stunning victory" according to the BBC

From what I’ve read PVV got more votes than the last two elections winners (governments). I wouldn’t say stunning, but a far right party winning the majority of seats is pretty seismic
 

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