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New York City FC Thread (new away kit P245)
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Mr Ed (The Stables)
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never thought of that!<br /><br />-- Fri May 03, 2013 5:36 pm --<br /><br />
Buying players for nowt and selling unwanted players for coughs an undisclosed fee. Likewise loaning our kids with inflated loan fees. The possibilities are endless now whether Twatini stops/blocks that scenario I don't know.
Our owner genuinely might want to run us and them as two separate clubs, but as others have stated the worst that can happen is that it gives us a toe in the US market with the increase in sales, sponsorship etc.
Pride_In_Battle said:
never thought of that!<br /><br />-- Fri May 03, 2013 5:36 pm --<br /><br />
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
Buying players for nowt and selling unwanted players for coughs an undisclosed fee. Likewise loaning our kids with inflated loan fees. The possibilities are endless now whether Twatini stops/blocks that scenario I don't know.
Our owner genuinely might want to run us and them as two separate clubs, but as others have stated the worst that can happen is that it gives us a toe in the US market with the increase in sales, sponsorship etc.
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For what it's worth (probably not much) I cover MLS professionally. I'm deeply sorry for my career choice.
Regardless, I can answer a lot of the questions about how MLS actually works and, I think, offer some informed speculation about what ownership/close association with a MLS team might mean for City.
First off, put aside any ideas that you might have about "fringe" youth players going over and making up the roster of NYCFC. As others have pointed out, Chivas USA attempted to do something like that in 2005 and almost broke a league record for least points in a season. Based on the type of English player that has been successful when coming to MLS, the quality of the league is likely mid-to-low Championship. League One players that have signed to MLS sides have failed to have an impact more often than not. So, if a City player isn't good enough for a Championship loan he isn't going to be good enough for a MLS loan either.
Someone asked whether loan deals were allowed in MLS. They are. They are quite common, actually. So, there would be the opportunity for City players to be loaned to NYCFC.
That said, the biggest issue facing that would be the domestic quota requirements of the roster. Only eight non-American players can be on the 24 player roster of the American-based teams (there are three Canadian teams for those that aren't aware) at any time, although the club could trade other assets to obtain more. The Red Bulls currently have the most international slots with 12.
Players are actually signed to MLS, not the individual teams and must fit within a salary cap of $2.95 million USD -- that's the whole roster, not one player...However, each team can sign up to three "designated players", which are signed to the individual teams, not the league and only cout $350k USD against the salary cap (less if younger than 23).
The biggest competitive advantage City could gain by this would be through the academy system. Increasingly, MLS is trying to move away from the college drafting system and instead move towards a system that is more in line with the rest of the world. Each team is required to have an academy and they can sign an unlimited amount of players from the academy (and have up to five players not count as a roster spot, nor against the salary cap). Clearly, if MYCFC were to have a foothold in the NYC market the very best academy prospects could be poached to the big club.
This seems likely to happen. However, a lot of MLS fans in NY are reluctant to support a new team based on the bad experience with Chivas USA (which have been a full on cluster****. City would need to be very respectful of not shoving the brand down the throat of fans and, most importantly, not appearing to disrespect MLS or American soccer. If either happens the experience could end up backfiring.
It could also be a very good thing if managed properly.
For what it's worth (probably not much) I cover MLS professionally. I'm deeply sorry for my career choice.
Regardless, I can answer a lot of the questions about how MLS actually works and, I think, offer some informed speculation about what ownership/close association with a MLS team might mean for City.
First off, put aside any ideas that you might have about "fringe" youth players going over and making up the roster of NYCFC. As others have pointed out, Chivas USA attempted to do something like that in 2005 and almost broke a league record for least points in a season. Based on the type of English player that has been successful when coming to MLS, the quality of the league is likely mid-to-low Championship. League One players that have signed to MLS sides have failed to have an impact more often than not. So, if a City player isn't good enough for a Championship loan he isn't going to be good enough for a MLS loan either.
Someone asked whether loan deals were allowed in MLS. They are. They are quite common, actually. So, there would be the opportunity for City players to be loaned to NYCFC.
That said, the biggest issue facing that would be the domestic quota requirements of the roster. Only eight non-American players can be on the 24 player roster of the American-based teams (there are three Canadian teams for those that aren't aware) at any time, although the club could trade other assets to obtain more. The Red Bulls currently have the most international slots with 12.
Players are actually signed to MLS, not the individual teams and must fit within a salary cap of $2.95 million USD -- that's the whole roster, not one player...However, each team can sign up to three "designated players", which are signed to the individual teams, not the league and only cout $350k USD against the salary cap (less if younger than 23).
The biggest competitive advantage City could gain by this would be through the academy system. Increasingly, MLS is trying to move away from the college drafting system and instead move towards a system that is more in line with the rest of the world. Each team is required to have an academy and they can sign an unlimited amount of players from the academy (and have up to five players not count as a roster spot, nor against the salary cap). Clearly, if MYCFC were to have a foothold in the NYC market the very best academy prospects could be poached to the big club.
This seems likely to happen. However, a lot of MLS fans in NY are reluctant to support a new team based on the bad experience with Chivas USA (which have been a full on cluster****. City would need to be very respectful of not shoving the brand down the throat of fans and, most importantly, not appearing to disrespect MLS or American soccer. If either happens the experience could end up backfiring.
It could also be a very good thing if managed properly.
S04
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Cheers for your input, as you no doubt have discovered most of us have little knowledge about how MLS works and automatically assume the system to be somewhat similar to what we are used to.
But I myself think that this media drivel about MCFC to open shop in NY is just lazy journalism, there might be that say some members of the boards are the same and the ownership might become the same but I don´t expect a kind of Manchester City clone to appear, wouldn´t want that either..
BlueCanuck said:
Cheers for your input, as you no doubt have discovered most of us have little knowledge about how MLS works and automatically assume the system to be somewhat similar to what we are used to.
But I myself think that this media drivel about MCFC to open shop in NY is just lazy journalism, there might be that say some members of the boards are the same and the ownership might become the same but I don´t expect a kind of Manchester City clone to appear, wouldn´t want that either..
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Re: New York City
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-citys-battle-new-york-4749701" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... rk-4749701</a>
I was enthusiastic now more so, and slightly jeleaous (of my own club)
I sincerely hope it's a hit
AWESOME (for our American friends)
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-citys-battle-new-york-4749701" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... rk-4749701</a>
I was enthusiastic now more so, and slightly jeleaous (of my own club)
I sincerely hope it's a hit
AWESOME (for our American friends)
Barcon
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Re: New York City
May I just say, if you'r Gerry Dobson or Craig Forrest, you'r a ****.
Thank you.
BlueCanuck said:
May I just say, if you'r Gerry Dobson or Craig Forrest, you'r a ****.
Thank you.
S04
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The NY papers say that this spot is the one most seriously discussed for a new stadium.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/30/nyregion/soccer-clubs-latest-stadium-proposal-would-give-the-yankees-a-new-neighbor.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/30/nyreg ... ghbor.html</a>
The NY papers say that this spot is the one most seriously discussed for a new stadium.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/30/nyregion/soccer-clubs-latest-stadium-proposal-would-give-the-yankees-a-new-neighbor.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/30/nyreg ... ghbor.html</a>
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The papers are also saying that we have offered (or if you read other sources - that we are being obliged to offer) to construct a new factory elsewhere to replace the one that would have to be demolished to make the space for a stadium.
The papers are also saying that we have offered (or if you read other sources - that we are being obliged to offer) to construct a new factory elsewhere to replace the one that would have to be demolished to make the space for a stadium.
S04
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Very likely to another location in Bronx yes, because Bronx politicians would not approve losing 225 jobs just to give us a spot to play football on..
Falastur said:
Very likely to another location in Bronx yes, because Bronx politicians would not approve losing 225 jobs just to give us a spot to play football on..
PD
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Hmm walking distance (well, 9 miles so not really) from my weekday gaff but on the #4 subway and Metro North commuter rail. Excellent spot. They could even tear down that ugly pile in the top right corner.
S04 said:The NY papers say that this spot is the one most seriously discussed for a new stadium.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/30/nyregion/soccer-clubs-latest-stadium-proposal-would-give-the-yankees-a-new-neighbor.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/30/nyreg ... ghbor.html</a>
Hmm walking distance (well, 9 miles so not really) from my weekday gaff but on the #4 subway and Metro North commuter rail. Excellent spot. They could even tear down that ugly pile in the top right corner.