New York City FC Thread (new away kit P245)

[Instant_Offense]

^ Isn't he posting a picture of rags as an example of how they don't want to look? I read the whole post and it seems he wants their supporters wearing kits unlike the black coats at the swamp.

It seems like there's a small but very active group on both forums trying to promote conflict between MCFC fans and NYCFC fans. Not cool.

That's exactly what he was doing, just looking at the pretty pictures without actually reading his post is dumb.

I read his post, and saw the comment about Black coats, I would have got it had a pic of Blues accompanied it (though still not funny) but I think he was proving that fans came in kit (Uniform) to games and I thought using a Rag Pic like that is inappropriate considering the aims of that site.

Like Blue Smarties I also think the bloke is trying to big up his status and is inexperienced at running an online forum.

What I and others do not like is that Pro City discussion is stopped in its tracks for (his) fear of putting off supporters of other teams. He appears scared to promote our club for fear of upsetting fans of other EPL teams in New York.

He is not going to change his mind, so let him continue promoting NYCFC in the manner he sees fit.

If you look at the market in NYC and the USA many of the fans are "soccer" lovers who have some limited knowledge of one of the traditional big clubs (There will be some genuine fans amongst them) who have to defend there own traditional views. Lets face it a genuine fully fledged Man U fan would not want anything to do with a club connected to City. How ironic that they will be spending money some of which will filter back to us, and be wearing blue. And that is great.

What I don't like is these fans are giving the new fans who have no knowledge of football a tainted view of City. How we bought titles, how we got a rich mans money and bought them... How their club is not owned by City but the rich man is there way of coping with the City connection.

While undoubtedly much of the above is true (lets face it had the Sheik not bought us we wouldn't be where we are now. City does have a history, City do have a culture, and City did not spend as much money on there way to the title as the traditional clubs have.

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Whilst we do not want another Chivas and want the project to be successful, the education of these folk (those that can be educated) needs to start with how to defend themselves against the limited knowledge views of those that think they have knowledge of how we got there.

How FFP has benefited the traditional big clubs, how they used there power in the past to keep clubs like City down, How Uefa moved FFP goalposts etc.

We do not want to ram this down there throats and argue with them. If they want to support NYCFC and indirectly us then there is a chance we can win them over.

But if the majority that go to games understand our club, can show the fans at games that City are good guys, and can promote the image on MCFC, NYCFC and all CFG teams it will be good the club and the family in the long run.

Let him run his site his way, if it gets us a few fans great, he knows America. But again I ask please Ric / Mods put up a NYCFC board and let us speak to those Americans that want to know about City. Don't leave there knowledge to that forum as we will end up with a sister team that hate us.

Those that can be educated must be? F*ckin eh. The more you make this about you the more they will resent it. Just leave them be.

 

[Silva Citizen]

I think people on here have trouble understanding that teams like NYCFC or others like Melbourne don´t exist to promote Manchester City or sort of fill their coffers.. They are clubs in their own rights but within the same ownership as MCFC and their finances are separate from MCFC (thank God),

This definitely.

And surely many people in the US that get into NYCFC will not be MCFC supporters. Obviously. Most people in the US that like the sport have knowledge of the PL. (And prior to the mid-90s this was the only league people could generally follow.)

But I look at this through the prism of the "long game." The young lads being introduced to the game in the future. Obviously there would be a predilection for them to become MCFC fans if their first team was NYCFC.

That will be good in the longer term certainly.

Maybe there is something I am missing
I agree with everything you say in all my posts, and there is a long game to be played.
Most (NOT ALL) US supporters of other Premier teams mainly support the traditional Big 4 chose those teams because they were
A Successful
B Had some form of US presence.

These supporters have jumped on the NYCFC bandwagon because they can have a team of there own. This is great because however you reckon it up, it will benefit the CFG and ultimately will benefit city.

But some (again not all) are trying to qualify there long term allegiances to PL teams by almost denying the club has anything to do with City, and only the Sheik... but hey that too is fine if they want to wear Blue and support a groupteam

NYCFC should have its own identity within the brand and they are all welcome to make that Identity.

What I struggle with is some of the poison that is spouted about how we are a club with No history (because it was United / Liverpool that traditionally won the pots (Dont forget Soccer did not exist before the 1970's) and that we are just johnny come latelys that got rich.

They (Most) have no idea that Liverpool had the pools money, United had money, United were nearly bankrupt years ago and like city were saved by a rich benefactor, they have no idea that allowing for inflation all those teams have spent more heavily than we have. They think we cheated with FFP with no awareness of how goalposts were moved.

If a City fan comments on there site, the thread is shut down or the mods disregard the comments.

I just believe the site should enhance City and not encourage other (often ill informed fans) to slap us down.

Good Luck to NYCFC, Good luck to the Forum, I hope for football, for the people of New York and for the CFG that the whole thing is a success.

I think I understand that we have the same goal, my gripe is the direction the forum is going and how it is being moderated to overly dumb down the presence of MCFC fans.
If the new fans start with the impression we are not the best club in the world then, whats that saying about first impressions ?

 

[Wrighty Wrexham]

Not into world domination just domestic and maybe Europe.

Hope we Manchester City FC do not suffer from these other distractions!

 

[Centurions]

I think people on here have trouble understanding that teams like NYCFC or others like Melbourne don´t exist to promote Manchester City or sort of fill their coffers.. They are clubs in their own rights but within the same ownership as MCFC and their finances are separate from MCFC (thank God),

This definitely.

And surely many people in the US that get into NYCFC will not be MCFC supporters. Obviously. Most people in the US that like the sport have knowledge of the PL. (And prior to the mid-90s this was the only league people could generally follow.)

But I look at this through the prism of the "long game." The young lads being introduced to the game in the future. Obviously there would be a predilection for them to become MCFC fans if their first team was NYCFC.

That will be good in the longer term certainly.

Totally agree. They're a brand new club that have the total of one solitary player on the books, there wasn't 20,000 born 'n' bred Man City fans in NYC waiting for a club to be formed. You wouldn't go on rag cafe and complain that MCFC don't get enough respect. It matters the grand sum of fuck all that we have the same holding company (CFG). Let them find their own identity and run their website as they see fit. Try having civilised conversations with them if you see crap written about MCFC and 'educate' them (don't actually use that term or you'll end up sounding like a cockwomble™ (Blue Smarties)).

I've seen many claims that there's loads of posts already posting crap about MCFC, perhaps somebody could posts links to these as I've seen almost nothing like that whatsoever.

 

[Belfast_city]

Simply no,i do hope that this global branding venture does work to create more media attention for MCFC and bring us a bigger global fanbase ie shirt sales etc but just couldnt care less

 

[john@staustell]

Simply no,i do hope that this global branding venture does work to create more media attention for MCFC and bring us a bigger global fanbase ie shirt sales etc but just couldnt care less

Not even a little peak? When the PL is closed?

 

[Silva Citizen]

I accept the "Educate" term was a bit cockwombleish.

Also many of the posts are fine, just fans wanting to create a club.

But the ones that do spout anti city shite are allowed to get away with it and the City fans who try to put across a point of view are slapped down or banned.

Like I have said, good luck to them, but they need to be doing something to develop a friendship / partnership in the same way the clubs are instead of trying to play it down and to the extent where they allow people to put up anti City rhetoric at all.

Any City fan who has tried to put across a point of view that clashes (normally with an ill informed individual) is normally slapped down by a Mod.

I say again Good Luck NYCFC good luck the forum, even the third rail. just please stop the anti city comments now before any new supporters are given the impression that City have done something wrong and that whichever EPL allegiance they hold is whiter than white.

After all own identity or not we are all members of CFG.

 

[Centurions]

I accept the "Educate" term was a bit cockwombleish.

Also many of the posts are fine, just fans wanting to create a club.

But the ones that do spout anti city shite are allowed to get away with it and the City fans who try to put across a point of view are slapped down or banned.

Like I have said, good luck to them, but they need to be doing something to develop a friendship / partnership in the same way the clubs are instead of trying to play it down and to the extent where they allow people to put up anti City rhetoric at all.

Any City fan who has tried to put across a point of view that clashes (normally with an ill informed individual) is normally slapped down by a Mod.

I say again Good Luck NYCFC good luck the forum, even the third rail. just please stop the anti city comments now before any new supporters are given the impression that City have done something wrong and that whichever EPL allegiance they hold is whiter than white.

After all own identity or not we are all members of CFG.

Unfortunately it is still an NYCFC forum and anyone spouting crap about Man City are on their own forum not ours (presuming they are NYCFC fans). We all just have to learn to be a little bit politic about how we answer. Give them time and it'll settle down.

 

[GeekinGav]

if their shirt is better than City's that season, i'd wear theirs instead ... thats as much as i'd support them.

 

[Crab Paste!]

I only follow one team, Manchester City Football Club. I don't watch other teams (except when they are playing us), I don't look out for other teams results; half the time I don't even have a clue who the opposition players are!

So that's a big fat no from me.