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Someone mentioned Trump (especially as the terrorist referenced Trump in his manifesto) and Malg doesn’t like it if someone mentions Trump outside of the Trump thread.
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New Zealand terrorist attack
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malg
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100%. If we lose tonight i half expect Trump to be blamed.Someone mentioned Trump (especially as the terrorist referenced Trump in his manifesto) and Malg doesn’t like it if someone mentions Trump outside of the Trump thread.
Neville Kneville
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Someone mentioned Trump (especially as the terrorist referenced Trump in his manifesto) and Malg doesn’t like it if someone mentions Trump outside of the Trump thread.
Ah right.
bluethrunthru
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Such as?
Nothing reported about either mosque having anything to do with so called hate preachers yet in the first 5 or 6 pages this sort of thing gets posted. This is the process of deflection and disinformation that heralds the attempt to shift the blame onto the victims. Such as the shit spewed out by Anning - " its a reaction to there being Muslim immigrants here " kind of bullshit to " well if they will frequent places that could contain hate preachers then it could happen" For me based on all the information that is out there about the two mosques targeted now never mind up to the point when this post was made it is shameful to even be thinking "hate preacher"
i think you'll find a few hate preachers in those places too, its religion that causes all this shite...
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Nothing reported about either mosque having anything to do with so called hate preachers yet in the first 5 or 6 pages this sort of thing gets posted. This is the process of deflection and disinformation that heralds the attempt to shift the blame onto the victims. Such as the shit spewed out by Anning - " its a reaction to there being Muslim immigrants here " kind of bullshit to " well if they will frequent places that could contain hate preachers then it could happen" For me based on all the information that is out there about the two mosques targeted now never mind up to the point when this post was made it is shameful to even be thinking "hate preacher"
I tried to sensibly approach (perhaps) the actual and factual reason for this dreadful event and my posts get deleted.
Difficult and dirty situations like this are born from difficult and dirty events in real life. Talking about them properly and openly is going to be a dirty process.
if you want sensible, open discussion on this subject, this thread ain't the place.
Armchair Supporter
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There does seem to be a strange reticence from some to condemn, or even acknowledge, the extreme political views which motivated him to commit this atrocity. He is a right-wing terrorist, and should be labelled as such.
What you miss, is that by slapping a label on him and his actions you permanently frame the discussion and objectivity and critical thinking go out the window.
He may have been the second coming of Adolf Hitler but accepting that closes down any other pathway that doesnt frame him in that light.
Having read his manifest, (take that! censorship) that picture doesn't match the frame.
His issue is primarily population movement. That was his driving force for murder. Being anything else is secondary and detracts from understanding and eventually tackling that motivation.
As unpleasant unpopular and unpalatable that may be.
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Corbyn says Manchester attack was a terrible incident and new Zealand was a terror attack and we stand in solidarity with the muslim community. Strange wording or am I looking into it too much.
Probably the latter.
Both are similar in nature though. A terror attack by a radicalised but remote sympathizer to a terrorist cause.
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Is it really? Or is it a particular population's movements? If you look at the countries of origin of immigrants to New Zealand, there's not a single Muslim country in the top 14 (and even number 15 is Malaysia, which is hardly a hotbed of Islamic extremism), and yet in order to protest population movement, he decides to shoot up a mosque, rather than Chinatown or a Hindu temple?His issue is primarily population movement. That was his driving force for murder. Being anything else is secondary and detracts from understanding and eventually tackling that motivation.