New Zealand terrorist attack

You sound like an apologist. His issue isn’t “primarily population movement” at all!

Didn’t you start a Freedom of Movement thread today on the back of this (which seems to have been removed), hoping to have “a discussion” about some of this sickos gripes? Gripes which you seem to be echoing as if they have some validity.

Or is it pure coincidence that you started such a thread after sticking it to “censorship” and reading this loon’s manifesto? A manifesto which goes into far more than you’d have us believe btw. For example he discusses American gun laws, Brexit, Jews, religion, capitalism, Marxism etc etc.

Also aren’t you also an Englishman living in Ireland?

Fantastic.

You've just accused me of sympathizing with the murder of innocents because i want to talk about it in an open and honest manner.

I was waiting for somebody to do it so congrats on that.

A perfect example of nonesensical and quite frankly , dangerous Neo-Liberal bullshit.

Talking about and investigating something doesn't make you an acomplice.

ffs
 
I don't see how anyone could deny that is indeed the case,that has never been in dispute and neither is it an issue.

I'll repeat for the umpteenth time....the issue lies with those who seek to use that above fact as an advantage where their own political bias is concerned.These same people stifle balanced debate because of their blinkered approach to topics such as this.

Completely agree.
 
Seriously this thread is a disgrace. Political point scoring is not needed. Any human being capable of killing someone is utterly disgusting. Particularly in this manner.

People may have views on mass immigration and elements of the Muslim faith - if so discuss any issues. Simple fact remains you treat people as you find them and to harm innocent people is incomprehensible.
 
Are you surprised? Seriously what would you expect?
He’s as bad as the dickheads who don’t think this is a terrorist act then.
I wouldn't expect anything less the mans a pleb. It just seems he's softening the Manchester attack as an incident, being slightly PC about it. They are both very tragic and terrorist related. Reading some of his manifest he thinks he was doing his bit by culling muslims. The young swedish girl killed by terrorism on the way to meet her mother was breaking point for him. An eye for an eye. I just don't think this will stop and it's scary.
 
I think technology is making us increasingly unhappy. It is a conduit for ‘evil’, at least as much as for ‘good’, probably more.
It’s been proven to make us unhappy. There’s no debate about this. Even the founders of Facebook/Instagram have come out and basically admitted they have fucked up the world. They even knew they would do this but went ahead anyway the evil twats.

 
Not as much, no. But it's not exactly uncommon either. It definitely appears on the front page of the BBC News quite often (not specifically the cow thing, but violence committed by Hindu nationalists). I know about it, and it's definitely not something I seek out.

Anyway, the point is to counter the claims that his motivating factor here was concerns over immigration. As mentioned, if that was the real concern, then there would be absolutely no reason to single out Muslims. Of course I accept that in this man's mind, this is revenge for all of the atrocities carried out in the name of Islam. But that's the textbook definition of bigotry. When Liam Neeson came out recently and said that he reacted to a rape by a black man by going out and looking for a black man (any black man) to beat up, we all recognise that as textbook racism, even though his anger is perfectly understandable. And when someone responds to an Islamic terrorist attack by attacking Muslims that had absolutely nothing to do with it, that is a clear example of being motivated by bigotry. As will the inevitable backlash attacking 'white/Western' targets by extremist Muslims in response to this.

His exact reason was: "population replacement of Europeans by non Europeans."
 
Not as much, no. But it's not exactly uncommon either. It definitely appears on the front page of the BBC News quite often (not specifically the cow thing, but violence committed by Hindu nationalists). I know about it, and it's definitely not something I seek out.

Anyway, the point is to counter the claims that his motivating factor here was concerns over immigration. As mentioned, if that was the real concern, then there would be absolutely no reason to single out Muslims. Of course I accept that in this man's mind, this is revenge for all of the atrocities carried out in the name of Islam. But that's the textbook definition of bigotry. When Liam Neeson came out recently and said that he reacted to a rape by a black man by going out and looking for a black man (any black man) to beat up, we all recognise that as textbook racism, even though his anger is perfectly understandable. And when someone responds to an Islamic terrorist attack by attacking Muslims that had absolutely nothing to do with it, that is a clear example of being motivated by bigotry. As will the inevitable backlash attacking 'white/Western' targets by extremist Muslims in response to this.
Yes I agree and you hit upon a good point. There are plenty of examples of people angered by Islamic extremists that quit there job and went and fought IS in Iraq and Syria. Misguided no doubt but at least those people actually went to attack those responsible (or certainly the group(s) that lead their warped jihad.

This guy is a racist right wing white supremicist terrorist. He’s no better than the arseholes that blow themselves up amongst children or drive a truck into a crowd. They are as bad as each other, two sides of the same wretched inhuman coin.
 
There does seem to be a strange reticence from some to condemn, or even acknowledge, the extreme political views which motivated him to commit this atrocity. He is a right-wing terrorist, and should be labelled as such.
Completely agree.
 
His exact reason was: "population replacement of Europeans by non Europeans."
So what was his motivation to choose those exact 49 people, most of whom have probably never even been to Europe? What exactly was it about those people that made him think they were an appropriate target for a protest against the migration of some completely different people to a continent that he's not from and doesn't live in?

Let's ignore the fact that the self-penned manifesto of a mass murder trying to portray himself as a hero and encourage others to follow his example is probably not the best source to determine his motivation.

Fucking hell, I missed the start of the game typing that.
 
I don't see how anyone could deny that is indeed the case,that has never been in dispute and neither is it an issue.

I'll repeat for the umpteenth time....the issue lies with those who seek to use that above fact as an advantage where their own political bias is concerned.These same people stifle balanced debate because of their blinkered approach to topics such as this.

Balance??

What a hypocrite!!

In the now defunct 'UK Citizenship' thread, where was the 'balance' when you were allowing posters to happily slag off a dead baby yet singled me out for calling that behaviour out?? You're as biased as they come!

You're calling for 'balance' is utter nonsense.
 

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