New Zealand terrorist attack

[Armchair Supporter]

Is it really? Or is it a particular population's movements? If you look at the countries of origin of immigrants to New Zealand, there's not a single Muslim country in the top 14 (and even number 15 is Malaysia, which is hardly a hotbed of Islamic extremism), and yet in order to protest population movement, he decides to shoot up a mosque, rather than Chinatown or a Hindu temple?

Perhaps it is a problem of that populations integration rather than immigration that he is angry at?

 

[i kne albert davy]

Is it really? Or is it a particular population's movements? If you look at the countries of origin of immigrants to New Zealand, there's not a single Muslim country in the top 14 (and even number 15 is Malaysia, which is hardly a hotbed of Islamic extremism), and yet in order to protest population movement, he decides to shoot up a mosque, rather than Chinatown or a Hindu temple?

To try to understand this madmans reasoning I haven't heard recently of the Hindu's or Chinese flying aircraft into buildings,murdering people at concerts or running people down and stabbing them in the street.
I just find it sad in this day and age with all the advantages of modern life people find it necessary to go around slaughtering defenceless unarmed people its cowardice of the highest degree.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Perhaps it is a problem of that populations integration rather than immigration that he is angry at?

Chinese immigrants are notorious for not integrating.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

To try to understand this madmans reasoning I haven't heard recently of the Hindu's or Chinese flying aircraft into buildings,murdering people at concerts or running people down and stabbing them in the street.
I just find it sad in this day and age with all the advantages of modern life people find it necessary to go around slaughtering defenceless unarmed people its cowardice of the highest degree.

Have you not? I've heard about plenty of Hindu nationalists committing acts of violence in defence of their religion. It goes on all the time. People have been killed in India in defence of cows ffs. But what we don't have is endless whipping up of hate against Hindus from far-right sympathizers. What the Hindu nationalists and these recent far-right terrorists have in common is that they have both recently been emboldened by political rhetoric in their respective countries.

 

[FantasyIreland]

There does seem to be a strange reticence from some to condemn, or even acknowledge, the extreme political views which motivated him to commit this atrocity. He is a right-wing terrorist, and should be labelled as such.

I don't see how anyone could deny that is indeed the case,that has never been in dispute and neither is it an issue.

I'll repeat for the umpteenth time....the issue lies with those who seek to use that above fact as an advantage where their own political bias is concerned.These same people stifle balanced debate because of their blinkered approach to topics such as this.

 

[i kne albert davy]

Have you not? I've heard about plenty of Hindu nationalists committing acts of violence in defence of their religion. It goes on all the time. People have been killed in India in defence of cows ffs. But what we don't have is endless whipping up of hate against Hindus from far-right sympathizers. What the Hindu nationalists and these recent far-right terrorists have in common is that they have both recently been emboldened by political rhetoric in their respective countries.

I didn't say they didn't I just haven't heard of it and to be fair people being killed over cows hasn't had much media coverage has it.

 

[Machiavelli]

What you miss, is that by slapping a label on him and his actions you permanently frame the discussion and objectivity and critical thinking go out the window.
He may have been the second coming of Adolf Hitler but accepting that closes down any other pathway that doesnt frame him in that light.

Having read his manifest, (take that! censorship) that picture doesn't match the frame.

His issue is primarily population movement. That was his driving force for murder. Being anything else is secondary and detracts from understanding and eventually tackling that motivation.

As unpleasant unpopular and unpalatable that may be.

You sound like an apologist. His issue isn’t “primarily population movement” at all!

Didn’t you start a Freedom of Movement thread today on the back of this (which seems to have been removed), hoping to have “a discussion” about some of this sickos gripes? Gripes which you seem to be echoing as if they have some validity.

Or is it pure coincidence that you started such a thread after sticking it to “censorship” and reading this loon’s manifesto? A manifesto which goes into far more than you’d have us believe btw. For example he discusses American gun laws, Brexit, Jews, religion, capitalism, Marxism etc etc.

Also aren’t you also an Englishman living in Ireland?

 

[Machiavelli]

Corbyn says Manchester attack was a terrible incident and new Zealand was a terror attack and we stand in solidarity with the muslim community. Strange wording or am I looking into it too much.

Are you surprised? Seriously what would you expect?
He’s as bad as the dickheads who don’t think this is a terrorist act then.

 

[Machiavelli]

Is it really? Or is it a particular population's movements? If you look at the countries of origin of immigrants to New Zealand, there's not a single Muslim country in the top 14 (and even number 15 is Malaysia, which is hardly a hotbed of Islamic extremism), and yet in order to protest population movement, he decides to shoot up a mosque, rather than Chinatown or a Hindu temple?

Facts are not helping here.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

I didn't say they didn't I just haven't heard of it and to be fair people being killed over cows hasn't had much media coverage has it.

Not as much, no. But it's not exactly uncommon either. It definitely appears on the front page of the BBC News quite often (not specifically the cow thing, but violence committed by Hindu nationalists). I know about it, and it's definitely not something I seek out.

Anyway, the point is to counter the claims that his motivating factor here was concerns over immigration. As mentioned, if that was the real concern, then there would be absolutely no reason to single out Muslims. Of course I accept that in this man's mind, this is revenge for all of the atrocities carried out in the name of Islam. But that's the textbook definition of bigotry. When Liam Neeson came out recently and said that he reacted to a rape by a black man by going out and looking for a black man (any black man) to beat up, we all recognise that as textbook racism, even though his anger is perfectly understandable. And when someone responds to an Islamic terrorist attack by attacking Muslims that had absolutely nothing to do with it, that is a clear example of being motivated by bigotry. As will the inevitable backlash attacking 'white/Western' targets by extremist Muslims in response to this.