Newcastle United Thread - 2021/22

[Vialli98]

Wages without doubt need addressing as well as agents and their fees.

But honestly, how do you police it?

Not sure. A wage cap of some sorts maybe, then introduce some kind of luxury tax as they have in American sports. Introduce some kind of penalty if clubs go over the percentage they're allowed to allocate to wages that season. I don't know. I'm no expert in finance regulations. I just think something has to give.

 

[KS55]

many like Robinho. Roque Santa Cruz. Jo. Wayne Bridge. Tal Ben Haim. Glauber. Emmanuel Adebayor.
like i said we spent millions on crap and only a few that was value for money

Just hold on. If you buy a load of players, some will fail; all clubs take a risk with transfers. But but but...which of the players you list, other than Robinho, were bought for "the wrong reasons"? Big Mal and Swales left some time ago!
I'll concede that Santa Cruz was a Hughes favourite and he seemed to be the only person not bothered about his sick note.

 

[hammocity]

I’m not buying into this ‘oh they deserve a bit of success’ shite that’s coming from a certain corner of our fan base, and on this thread.

Newcastle fans are like rags/scousers, they believe their club is somehow holier than thou and they have some god given right to success. They’ve sneered at City over the years and now all of a sudden the racist judging of our ownership has gone out of the window now they’ve got a few quid.

I hope it blows up in the fuckers faces, bollocks to them.

On the other hand I’ve always found Sunderland fans to be a friendly and reasonable bunch - always had a bit of a soft spot for them, a bit like West Ham.

You’re not wrong, the self appointed best fans in the world bang in about Football being a “religion” in that part of the country. I have news for them, there’s no difference between your passionate support than ours, simple as.

 

[hammocity]

Not much, but it's why I question it's effec

Not sure. A wage cap of some sorts maybe, then introduce some kind of luxury tax as they have in American sports. Introduce some kind of penalty if clubs go over the percentage they're allowed to allocate to wages that season. I don't know. I'm no expert in finance regulations. I just think something has to give.

That’s already being discussed by UEFA, it was widely reported in the media.

Uefa plans salary cap and ‘luxury tax’ for teams who breach it

Uefa will set out proposals next month to replace its Financial Fair Play rules with a salary cap and luxury tax by next year.Under the planned system, clubs

www.thetimes.co.uk

 

[Vialli98]

That’s already being discussed by UEFA, it was widely reported in the media.

Uefa plans salary cap and ‘luxury tax’ for teams who breach it

Uefa will set out proposals next month to replace its Financial Fair Play rules with a salary cap and luxury tax by next year.Under the planned system, clubs

www.thetimes.co.uk

Yeah something like that would be great I think.

 

[KS55]

Every market needs to be regulated in one way or another. I don't know if FFP was the right or fair way to do that, but the idea that transfer fees and wages can just keep ballooning without measures to control it is just bonkers to me.

Very hard to justify the capping of wages or transfer fees. You can think of reasons why some want to do that, but that's not the same as having a justifiable reason. It's protectionism and it would inevitably unbalance things. I have always said that Debt is the ultimate regulator, but G14 wouldn't wear it. @Prestwich_Blue says you cannot regulate one line, you have to take a balanced view of the total financial situation of a club.

 

[ONTHERUNWITHTHAKSIN]

I’m not buying into this ‘oh they deserve a bit of success’ shite that’s coming from a certain corner of our fan base, and on this thread.

Newcastle fans are like rags/scousers, they believe their club is somehow holier than thou and they have some god given right to success. They’ve sneered at City over the years and now all of a sudden the racist judging of our ownership has gone out of the window now they’ve got a few quid.

I hope it blows up in the fuckers faces, bollocks to them.

On the other hand I’ve always found Sunderland fans to be a friendly and reasonable bunch - always had a bit of a soft spot for them, a bit like West Ham.

So fucking true

 

[waspish]

Every market needs to be regulated in one way or another. I don't know if FFP was the right or fair way to do that, but the idea that transfer fees and wages can just keep ballooning without measures to control it is just bonkers to me.

Well that what happened with the rags under fergie also chelsea then us for 2/3 years till ffp put a stop to that but guess what the rags kept breaking player transfers players wages too!

 

[Mid Wales blue]

There’s a lot of talk about Newcastle signings. In my opinion the most significant thing City did was get Ferran and Txiki in. I have no doubt Newcastle will do well. How quickly depends on the board room appointments. I don’t think you can put in a robust global scouting network overnight.

Don’t you think someone who has been actively trying to buy Newcastle, for the best part of 3 years, would have already had this in place.
Having stumped up £300 million for the club, I’d definitely have had my own football analysis / scouting system in place, for at least as long as I’d been interested in buying the club.

When we were bought out, it all happened so fast. Yes we had some of the best people around, to guide us through the early stages, but didn’t have the time Newcastle’s new owners have had for planning, and it cost us a lot of money, buying up players that weren’t good enough or permanently injured.

 

[Kinkys Left Foot]

Yep looks like it's going to be 70% max of turnover on wages. Should also be a maximum for debt (but there wont be) on fixed assets variable to that figure up to a maximum including amortisation costs. Obviously loan payments plus wages and player costs should not consistently be above 100% turnover.

 

[Don Karleone]

many like Robinho. Roque Santa Cruz. Jo. Wayne Bridge. Tal Ben Haim. Glauber. Emmanuel Adebayor.
like i said we spent millions on crap and only a few that was value for money

Adebayor was worth every penny, thank you very much.

 

[ancoats]

Just hold on. If you buy a load of players, some will fail; all clubs take a risk with transfers. But but but...which of the players you list, other than Robinho, were bought for "the wrong reasons"? Big Mal and Swales left some time ago!
I'll concede that Santa Cruz was a Hughes favourite and he seemed to be the only person not bothered about his sick note.

its more about the attitude from them players to the club and manager and what did they offer
newcastle will have to go through all of that before finding the right manager and players because of the money

its a gamble and no signing can offer the magic straight away even for newcastle
the premier league is not the league like it is in france and PSG ? so having the money is one thing spending it on the right people is another

 

[ganganvince]

many like Robinho. Roque Santa Cruz. Jo. Wayne Bridge. Tal Ben Haim. Glauber. Emmanuel Adebayor.
like i said we spent millions on crap and only a few that was value for money

You need to start at that level who are happy to come for the money to get the club into a position of challenging for trophies before the top class players will come.

 

[StillBluessinceHydeRoad]

I highly doubt we are but why do people insist on taking newspaper headlines at face value? We know more than enough about the media to understand they're constantly intent on whipping up hysteria by making a lurid headline out of a non-story. And naturally, the holier-than-thou Guardian is going to try to whip something relatively bureaucratic into the whole human rights angle.

I suspect there's two stories here. One will almost certainly involve the usual group of suspects - United, Arsenal, Liverpool & Spurs - who are shit-scared of this takeover. The other involves the 19 other members of the PL, which is a member-owned organisation, being annoyed that the PL didn't consult them or give them advance notice of their negotiations with the Saudis.

I think your first paragraph is almost certainly spot on but your second is vitally important. I'm sure the cartel are panic stricken at the mere thought of this takeover and having nightmares at the admiration of City in Ms Staveley's statements. They may well be forced to realise that the law in the United Kingdom does give protection to those trying to compete and doesn't see things through the protectionist eyes of US capitalism. I am really eager to hear the ruling we are promised in January because it may end this nonsense about City being a "state owned club" once and for all by making a clear distinction between ownership and control. Sheikh Mansour may be deputy PM of UAE but to say that the government of the UAE or Abu Dhabi controls City is the same as arguing that McMillans publishers were run by the UK government when Harold was PM in the late 1950s. I suspect that PL has been found to be acting in an anti-competitive manner - but what the detail is may be very interesting. What is it that scared PL so much that they caved in without even warning the cartel?!

 

[talkativesprout]

This made me chuckle from Sad Cafe

 

[StillBluessinceHydeRoad]

I wish Newcastle well but I agree that it will take time - 5 to 10 years does not seem unreasonable before they rival us - and there are no guarantees. There's been a lot of attention paid to our transfer flops over the last few days but I think Ms Staveley is wise to follow our example rather than that of the "old money" clubs. It appears "oil money" isn't actually that dirty at all - Manchester United have spent well over a billion good, squeaky clean, pristine Cayman Isles greenbacks to win ... precisely nothing! What can have gone wrong?

 

[Magicpole]

Every club feeling anxious about FFP, should move to Scotand. Rangers havent complied for ten years, of operating with a loss funded by soft loans and nothing happens to them. You might need to change your name to Rangers though. If you go into a meeting with the SFA, just belt out the Sash and you will be fine.

 

[mat]

Sergio to the barcodes to save Barca. He'll be their Santa Cruz.

 

[Whether or not]

There is a clamour to immediately sack Bruce, but I am not so sure. Is he a competent manager keeping a Championship squad up, or a crap manager holding a premier league squad back? Whoever comes in will have mostly the same players until the summer and Newcastle don’t want to get relegated as the first step under new owners.

 

[chesterbells]

I think your first paragraph is almost certainly spot on but your second is vitally important. I'm sure the cartel are panic stricken at the mere thought of this takeover and having nightmares at the admiration of City in Ms Staveley's statements. They may well be forced to realise that the law in the United Kingdom does give protection to those trying to compete and doesn't see things through the protectionist eyes of US capitalism. I am really eager to hear the ruling we are promised in January because it may end this nonsense about City being a "state owned club" once and for all by making a clear distinction between ownership and control. Sheikh Mansour may be deputy PM of UAE but to say that the government of the UAE or Abu Dhabi controls City is the same as arguing that McMillans publishers were run by the UK government when Harold was PM in the late 1950s. I suspect that PL has been found to be acting in an anti-competitive manner - but what the detail is may be very interesting. What is it that scared PL so much that they caved in without even warning the cartel?!

Government involvement maybe??
As an aside I thought the new PL chairman (Richard Masterson?) was an appointment that had to be “approved” by the two red clubs - in that case I’m also surprised at how this panned out.