Next Manager after Pep

[decmancity]

In terms of managing ego's or attitude, that's a load of shite that people spout. Ten Haag had no experience of that with his Ajax team but he landed at the rags and froze out their club icon. You think Kompany who has played with numerous world class players will allow individuals to ruin what he's trying to do? Not a fucking chance. They'll be straight out of there. He was a leader as a player, he's not going to let anyone fuck about when he's manager.

The club will make sure we've got a squad that can compete and will bring in someone they feel is up to the challenge of managing the side. They'll give them time and they'll back them financially.

We don't yet know where the club will turn. Luis Enrique replaced Pep at Barcelona on the back of a good stint as Barca B manager but a poor season with Roma and a decent season with Celta Vigo. He was hardly a standout candidate but came in and won the treble because the squad was still so good. When you look at the young players we have, a few more signings and we'll be able to bring someone in to manager players who Pep has developed for 2-3 years and will adapt quite easily. It's a much easier job then.

Ronaldo did a good enough job himself to get booted out of the rags. Ten Hag just happened to be the manager.

I think that we have seen on countless occasions, shouting and screaming in a dressing room doesn't always work. So this notion that Kompany can just come in with his bodyguard Craig Bellamy and just scream and shout our way to victory is ridiculous.
Some of the best to ever play the game would be considered "leaders" and their management careers have resulted in nothing but relegations and disappointment.

Not a single thought from me that the club won't ensure the squad is up to speed. We will have no repeat of the rags under GPC and Pep leaving behind a pile of mess for the next manager to clean up.

I don't remember watching much of Enrique at Roma or Celta Vigo but you can still prove your credentials without necessarily getting the success. The likes of Bielsa and Juanma Lillo have proven this.

 

[TonyM]

Com'ere boy, I'd go for Brian Barry-Murphy. He's from Cork like.

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

I'll be interested of course to see how Vinny does next season assuming the trend continues and Burnley are promoted. I don't want to see the same thing happen that did at ManUre with Ole and Chelsea with Frank- appointments more influenceed by their history with the club than their CV and actual managerial cred.

Vinny at least looks like he is going to get a team promoted playing good football, something neither Ole nor Frank managed. My Derby supporting mate always said that Lampard should have got that Derby side comfortably in the automatic spots and underachieved, but I don't follow them closely enough to know whether that's fair or not.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

The only way is down after Pep, so I would rather go with Vinny and fail, than some opportunist who doesn't give a shit.

As the suits have stated before, the Club is set up for success regardless of who the manager is, just like at Madrid.

As long as the manager identifies with the City style or play, the rest will take care of itself.

Zidane won how many Champs League at Madrid?

An above average manager with the players to shine, just as Ancelotti was night and day between Everton and Madrid.

Buy the players and I'm certain Vinny could be the right man at the right time in a couple of years time.

You only have to listen to his punditry.

 

[domalino]

The only way is down after Pep, so I would rather go with Vinny and fail, than some opportunist who doesn't give a shit.

As the suits have stated before, the Club is set up for success regardless of who the manager is, just like at Madrid.

As long as the manager identifies with the City style or play, the rest will take care of itself.

Zidane won how many Champs League at Madrid?

An above average manager with the players to shine, just as Ancelotti was night and day between Everton and Madrid.

Buy the players and I'm certain Vinny could be the right man at the right time in a couple of years time.

You only have to listen to his punditry.

Realistically VK is 5 years away from being an option.

The club just isn't going to appoint someone with zero managerial experience in a top division, in the CL or winning trophies, and it would be mismanagement if they did, no matter who it is.

Best case scenario he wins the Championship, then has a really good season with Burnley in the Premier League - something like Rodgers' season with Swansea that got him the Liverpool job (IIRC they finished 12th).

Then he'd have to move to a club playing CL football and contending for titles for a couple of seasons and have 2 excellent seasons with at least 1 piece of respectbale silverware at the end of it.

You can't compare it with Zidane who was the assistant at Real for 3/4 seasons before getting the job.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Maybe we should retire the Manager's shirt.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Realistically VK is 5 years away from being an option.

Best case scenario he wins the Championship, then has a really good season with Burnley in the Premier League - soemthing like Rodgers seasonw ith Swansea that got him the Liverpool job.

Then hed have to move to a club playing CL football and contending for titles for a couple of seasons and have 2 excellent seasons with at least 1 piece of respectbale silverware at the end of it.

I'm of the opinion getting Burnley up as Champions and keeping them in the top half of the Premier League for the next couple of years would give him a good shot.

Burnley are skint and lost so many senior players, but he's somehow getting a new tune out of them.

Whoever we next go for will be a risk, as Chelsea are showing again.

However, Chelsea have also shown they win trophies whoever the manager tends to be, mainly due to the quality of the playing personnel?

I don't really see anybody out there at the moment we should be worried about missing out on, the City job will be the most coveted in the world when it comes up.

The relationship to Txiki will be huge, which is why I suspect it will be someone familiar with his workings, be it someone like Vinny or even Enrique.

Perhaps Vinny would be up for being Enrique's assistant for a few years and then we would be covered again for the next decade!

 

[Georgian Maestro]

If Arteta has a good Champions league campaign next year then he ticks all the boxes.

 

[domalino]

I'm of the opinion getting Burnley up as Champions and keeping them in the top half of the Premier League for the next couple of years would give him a good shot.

Burnley are skint and lost so many senior players, but he's somehow getting a new tune out of them.

Whoever we next go for will be a risk, as Chelsea are showing again.

However, Chelsea have also shown they win trophies whoever the manager tends to be, mainly due to the quality of the playing personnel?

I don't really see anybody out there at the moment we should be worried about missing out on, the City job will be the most coveted in the world when it comes up.

The relationship to Txiki will be huge, which is why I suspect it will be someone familiar with his workings, be it someone like Vinny or even Enrique.

Perhaps Vinny would be up for being Enrique's assistant for a few years and then we would be covered again for the next decade!

There's just very little reason to gamble and pick Kompany over someone as proven as Enrique in 2025 when you can just wait a bit for him to really prove he's good enough and get experience and then come back to him.

If they entertain any dreams of Vinny being a really long term manager because of his links to the club and area then there's so much more to gain by him arriving at 45 with CL experience and trophies under his belt rather than 40 fresh out of Burnley.

 

[domalino]

If Arteta has a good Champions league campaign next year then he ticks all the boxes.

Depends on the bad blood between Arsenal and Arteta and City, I remember some articles about how unhappy City were with the way Arsenal pursued him.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

I'm of the opinion getting Burnley up as Champions and keeping them in the top half of the Premier League for the next couple of years would give him a good shot.

Burnley are skint and lost so many senior players, but he's somehow getting a new tune out of them.

Whoever we next go for will be a risk, as Chelsea are showing again.

However, Chelsea have also shown they win trophies whoever the manager tends to be, mainly due to the quality of the playing personnel?

I don't really see anybody out there at the moment we should be worried about missing out on, the City job will be the most coveted in the world when it comes up.

The relationship to Txiki will be huge, which is why I suspect it will be someone familiar with his workings, be it someone like Vinny or even Enrique.

Perhaps Vinny would be up for being Enrique's assistant for a few years and then we would be covered again for the next decade!

It’s a tough one, if United or Liverpool got a manager and all he had achieved was getting a Championship team promoted as Champions and finished mid-table in the Prem for the next couple of years, I’d definitely take the piss out of them.

But like Pep and Zidane being unknowns and the likes of Eddie Howe and going back further Kevin Keegan both at Newcastle… you never really know… look at Potter at Chelsea.

I just think that if Kompany had no connection to City, he wouldn’t even be in our heads as a long-shot, never mind a real contender… although if Vilas-Boas can get top jobs than anyone can.

(Well, reading that post back, it’s just full of contradictions and flips from one end to the other!)

 

[Deleted member 77198]

If Arteta has a good Champions league campaign next year then he ticks all the boxes.

There is no way on Earth that Arteta would leave Arsenal, and certainly not for City.

Arsenal are the biggest spenders in England now (since Arteta went there, he’s spent more money than anyone) and aren’t going to stop with that. Why would he leave that unless he was sacked?

There are four clubs in England who City will not be poaching any managers or players from: obviously United and Liverpool, and Arsenal and Newcastle.

 

[shevtheblue]

Ideally you would want a scenario like Barca had when Pep left, Tito Vilanova took over and won the league. Gundo seems like an obvious choice, but it really depends on his plans for what he wants to do. Maybe they could convince Maresca to stay around and learn off Pep.

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

It’s a tough one, if United or Liverpool got a manager and all he had achieved was getting a Championship team promoted as Champions and finished mid-table in the Prem for the next couple of years, I’d definitely take the piss out of them.

But like Pep and Zidane being unknowns and the likes of Eddie Howe and going back further Kevin Keegan both at Newcastle… you never really know… look at Potter at Chelsea.

I just think that if Kompany had no connection to City, he wouldn’t even be in our heads as a long-shot, never mind a real contender… although if Vilas-Boas can get top jobs than anyone can.

(Well, reading that post back, it’s just full of contradictions and flips from one end to the other!)

So hard to find a pattern about what makes a good manager. Pep (looking good with Barcelona B), Klopp (got a team promoted before getting them relegated again), Zidane (player, assistant coach, head coach) Mourinho (translator?). It's bound to be full of contradictions, and sometimes the obvious or safe choice isn't always the best one, but if it goes wrong it can go wrong badly.

 

[cjn]

The only way Vinny is our next manager is if you think Khaldoon is the kind of person to go with the the sentimental choice, because being honest he's not remotely qualified otherwise - regardless of what he does with Burnley. And Khaldoon doesn't strike me as that guy at all.

 

[domalino]

It’s a tough one, if United or Liverpool got a manager and all he had achieved was getting a Championship team promoted as Champions and finished mid-table in the Prem for the next couple of years, I’d definitely take the piss out of them.

But like Pep and Zidane being unknowns and the likes of Eddie Howe and going back further Kevin Keegan both at Newcastle… you never really know… look at Potter at Chelsea.

I just think that if Kompany had no connection to City, he wouldn’t even be in our heads as a long-shot, never mind a real contender… although if Vilas-Boas can get top jobs than anyone can.

(Well, reading that post back, it’s just full of contradictions and flips from one end to the other!)

I think you’re underestimating how qualified some of your examples of unqualified managers were compared to Vinny now.

Eddie Howe has been a manager for 15 years, nearly 600 games and previously spent 5 straight years doing very well with Bournemouth in the PL getting linked to all the top clubs and England, he was hardly an unknown.

Potter again, 15 years experience as a manager.

Andre Villas-Boas won an invincible domestic treble in Portugal and the Europa league in his second season as a manager at 33 years old - still the youngest manager ever to win a European competition.

Zidane had been assistant for 3/4 years with the specific intention of preparing him to takeover.

Keegan was appointed midseason with Newcastle in danger of being relegated to the third tier, so not really a comparable job.

 

[IT and Me]

The relationship to Txiki will be huge, which is why I suspect it will be someone familiar with his workings, be it someone like Vinny or even Enrique.

Perhaps Vinny would be up for being Enrique's assistant for a few years and then we would be covered again for the next decade!

Good shout. Works for me.

 

[domalino]

So hard to find a pattern about what makes a good manager. Pep (looking good with Barcelona B), Klopp (got a team promoted before getting them relegated again), Zidane (player, assistant coach, head coach) Mourinho (translator?). It's bound to be full of contradictions, and sometimes the obvious or safe choice isn't always the best one, but if it goes wrong it can go wrong badly.

Mourinho was a first team coach and assistant manager at Porto and Barcelona for nearly 10 years before getting a head coaching role.

Pep is really the only successful instance of someone going from almost nowhere to the top of the Managerial game in the last 20 years.

 

[LongsightM13]

There is no way on Earth that Arteta would leave Arsenal, and certainly not for City.

Arsenal are the biggest spenders in England now (since Arteta went there, he’s spent more money than anyone) and aren’t going to stop with that. Why would he leave that unless he was sacked?

There are four clubs in England who City will not be poaching any managers or players from: obviously United and Liverpool, and Arsenal and Newcastle.

He spent a lot longer in his career at Arsenal than City. He will be a lot more attached to them than us

 

[Georgian Maestro]

There is no way on Earth that Arteta would leave Arsenal, and certainly not for City.

Arsenal are the biggest spenders in England now (since Arteta went there, he’s spent more money than anyone) and aren’t going to stop with that. Why would he leave that unless he was sacked?

There are four clubs in England who City will not be poaching any managers or players from: obviously United and Liverpool, and Arsenal and Newcastle.

Despite the high recent net spend at Arsenal, at City he will be working with a better squad of players, he will be more able to attract the best players in the world and work within a proven successful structure and a fellow Basque in Txiki.
Arsenal's current ownership have shown that they are prepared to let their best players go to rivals if the price is right and the player pushes. If Arteta wants it then I think we could get him.