NHS Strike

[Blue Hefner]

Reading this thread has only reaffirmed my blief that the goverment, media etc have done a great job in dividing the working class.

Whether you are employed in the public or private sector, employed or unemployed, disabled, an imigrant or born here - we should sand togther and try and raise all our wages/working condiditions not point fingures and squabble amongst ourselves

The establishment and big business are laughing at us all. As we argue amongst ourseleves, their profits are going through the roof and the political elite continue to feather their own nests

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

Tory cunts.

 

[blueinsa]

Reading this thread has only reaffirmed my blief that the goverment, media etc have done a great job in dividing the working class.

Whether you are employed in the public or private sector, employed or unemployed, disabled, an imigrant or born here - we should sand togther and try and raise all our wages/working condiditions not point fingures and squabble amongst ourselves

The establishment and big business are laughing at us all. As we argue amongst ourseleves, their profits are going through the roof and the political elite continue to feather their own nests

Summed up perfectly mate.

 

[urmston]

Reading this thread has only reaffirmed my blief that the goverment, media etc have done a great job in dividing the working class.

Whether you are employed in the public or private sector, employed or unemployed, disabled, an imigrant or born here - we should sand togther and try and raise all our wages/working condiditions not point fingures and squabble amongst ourselves

The establishment and big business are laughing at us all. As we argue amongst ourseleves, their profits are going through the roof and the political elite continue to feather their own nests

A large divide which has opened up in the working population in recent years is the one between public sector and private sector workers.

Private sector workers have been increasingly exposed to all sorts of economic factors which have worsened wage rates, terms and conditions and security of employment.

Public sector workers have been insulated from all this to a large degree, especially NHS staff. Their pay has suffered, but not as much as that of the rest of us, and by and large they still enjoy the excellent terms and conditions which many more of us used to enjoy before times got hard - 37 hour working weeks, superb pensions, high levels of job security, generous holiday allowances, paid overtime etc etc.

Public sector staff are very eager indeed for this division to remain. They have no interest whatsoever in a 'we are all in this together' approach. They want to their relatively good times to continue, and they want the rest of us to cough up more money to ensure it does. So as they get a bit richer, we get a bit poorer, increasing the divide. They aren't interested in solidarity with the broader working population, just in their money.

Any taxpayer in the private sector who is considering 'solidarity' with and support for striking public sector workers should remember this.

 

[malg]

Public sector workers have been insulated from all this to a large degree, especially NHS staff.

I don't get the 'especially NHS staff' bit. Why have they been especially insulated? I'm not a leftie, so don't have a cross to bear on this, but I'm a bit surprised that anyone would single NHS staff out over say the police, or military, or civil servants etc.

Public Sector v Private Sector would be an interesting thread.

 

[law74]

Reading this thread has only reaffirmed my blief that the goverment, media etc have done a great job in dividing the working class.

Whether you are employed in the public or private sector, employed or unemployed, disabled, an imigrant or born here - we should sand togther and try and raise all our wages/working condiditions not point fingures and squabble amongst ourselves

The establishment and big business are laughing at us all. As we argue amongst ourseleves, their profits are going through the roof and the political elite continue to feather their own nests

A large divide which has opened up in the working population in recent years is the one between public sector and private sector workers.

Private sector workers have been increasingly exposed to all sorts of economic factors which have worsened wage rates, terms and conditions and security of employment.

Public sector workers have been insulated from all this to a large degree, especially NHS staff. Their pay has suffered, but not as much as that of the rest of us, and by and large they still enjoy the excellent terms and conditions which many more of us used to enjoy before times got hard - 37 hour working weeks, superb pensions, high levels of job security, generous holiday allowances, paid overtime etc etc.

Public sector staff are very eager indeed for this division to remain. They have no interest whatsoever in a 'we are all in this together' approach. They want to their relatively good times to continue, and they want the rest of us to cough up more money to ensure it does. So as they get a bit richer, we get a bit poorer, increasing the divide. They aren't interested in solidarity with the broader working population, just in their money.

Any taxpayer in the private sector who is considering 'solidarity' with and support for striking public sector workers should remember this.

Total bullshit.
at the Union conference a few years ago a fund raising evening was held for the workers that had occupied their plant to prevent the owners closing the site and moving the operation to India. It was a full house.
I mave attended and contributed to many a private sector fispute, though sadly too many workers are not "unionised" and willing to stand up for their rights

 

[urmston]

Reading this thread has only reaffirmed my blief that the goverment, media etc have done a great job in dividing the working class.

Whether you are employed in the public or private sector, employed or unemployed, disabled, an imigrant or born here - we should sand togther and try and raise all our wages/working condiditions not point fingures and squabble amongst ourselves

The establishment and big business are laughing at us all. As we argue amongst ourseleves, their profits are going through the roof and the political elite continue to feather their own nests

A large divide which has opened up in the working population in recent years is the one between public sector and private sector workers.

Private sector workers have been increasingly exposed to all sorts of economic factors which have worsened wage rates, terms and conditions and security of employment.

Public sector workers have been insulated from all this to a large degree, especially NHS staff. Their pay has suffered, but not as much as that of the rest of us, and by and large they still enjoy the excellent terms and conditions which many more of us used to enjoy before times got hard - 37 hour working weeks, superb pensions, high levels of job security, generous holiday allowances, paid overtime etc etc.

Public sector staff are very eager indeed for this division to remain. They have no interest whatsoever in a 'we are all in this together' approach. They want to their relatively good times to continue, and they want the rest of us to cough up more money to ensure it does. So as they get a bit richer, we get a bit poorer, increasing the divide. They aren't interested in solidarity with the broader working population, just in their money.

Any taxpayer in the private sector who is considering 'solidarity' with and support for striking public sector workers should remember this.

Total bullshit.
at the Union conference a few years ago a fund raising evening was held for the workers that had occupied their plant to prevent the owners closing the site and moving the operation to India. It was a full house.
I mave attended and contributed to many a private sector fispute, though sadly too many workers are not "unionised" and willing to stand up for their rights

Well, it is obvious to me that the striking NHS staff are either ignorant of the fact that many millions who pay their wages are suffering at least as badly and in many cases much worse then they are, or that they do know and just don't care when they demand more money from them.

I suspect the former. Public sector staff are notoriously clueless about money and how to use it efficiently. They think it grows on trees and seem to have little idea that it all has to be created by private sector workers before any can be used to fund the NHS, the education system etc.

I suggest the government forces NHS and other staff to go on brief secondments to private businesses to see just how hard people work to make that wealth, and how most of them don't get nearly as good terms and conditions as they do.

Perhaps then we'd hear less of their frequent self-pitying complaints of low morale, low pay and other imagined injustices.

 

[Ammy]

Equally, it might make for interesting viewing to watch someone, who perhaps spends an inordinate amount of time on the internet, criticising our NHS workers, spend a few months doing their job.

 

[law74]

A large divide which has opened up in the working population in recent years is the one between public sector and private sector workers.

Private sector workers have been increasingly exposed to all sorts of economic factors which have worsened wage rates, terms and conditions and security of employment.

Public sector workers have been insulated from all this to a large degree, especially NHS staff. Their pay has suffered, but not as much as that of the rest of us, and by and large they still enjoy the excellent terms and conditions which many more of us used to enjoy before times got hard - 37 hour working weeks, superb pensions, high levels of job security, generous holiday allowances, paid overtime etc etc.

Public sector staff are very eager indeed for this division to remain. They have no interest whatsoever in a 'we are all in this together' approach. They want to their relatively good times to continue, and they want the rest of us to cough up more money to ensure it does. So as they get a bit richer, we get a bit poorer, increasing the divide. They aren't interested in solidarity with the broader working population, just in their money.

Any taxpayer in the private sector who is considering 'solidarity' with and support for striking public sector workers should remember this.

Total bullshit.
at the Union conference a few years ago a fund raising evening was held for the workers that had occupied their plant to prevent the owners closing the site and moving the operation to India. It was a full house.
I mave attended and contributed to many a private sector fispute, though sadly too many workers are not "unionised" and willing to stand up for their rights

Well, it is obvious to me that the striking NHS staff are either ignorant of the fact that many millions who pay their wages are suffering at least as badly and in many cases much worse then they are, or that they do know and just don't care when they demand more money from them.

I suspect the former. Public sector staff are notoriously clueless about money and how to use it efficiently. They think it grows on trees and seem to have little idea that it all has to be created by private sector workers before any can be used to fund the NHS, the education system etc.

I suggest the government forces NHS and other staff to go on brief secondments to private businesses to see just how hard people work to make that wealth, and how most of them don't get nearly as good terms and conditions as they do.

Perhaps then we'd hear less of their frequent self-pitying complaints of low morale, low pay and other imagined injustices.

Having worked in a number of private industries before starting my current job, they were all better paid than my starting salary in the civil service (some by a great amount), and in all of them there were quite a few very easy jobs to be had, though the lack of stimulas made for the forty hours per week (including paid meal breaks) seem more like 80

 

[malg]

Haha.....just realised that Urmston has started wuming. Don't know when it officially started, but that last post has just proved it.