NHS Strike

[Anonymous]

Quick question for urmston; How much does a bog standard fully qualified nurse get in the NHS and what's the equivalent rate in the private sector for the same job?

How am I supposed to know what an equivalent job is? And why should I care?

The laws of supply and demand are the best way to sort out what people are paid.

And at the moment there is an ample supply of NHS staff at current pay rates and so there is absolutely no need to pay them any more.

Anyone who wants nurses to get more money should contact their MP and tell them so or go down to their local hospital and hand out their own cash to nurses, or both.

Is that not how you reach an informed opinion?

 

[urmston]

Quick question for urmston; How much does a bog standard fully qualified nurse get in the NHS and what's the equivalent rate in the private sector for the same job?

How am I supposed to know what an equivalent job is? And why should I care?

The laws of supply and demand are the best way to sort out what people are paid.

And at the moment there is an ample supply of NHS staff at current pay rates and so there is absolutely no need to pay them any more.

Anyone who wants nurses to get more money should contact their MP and tell them so or go down to their local hospital and hand out their own cash to nurses, or both.

Is that not how you reach an informed opinion?

Yes.

Using normal economic rules like supply and demand is quite a good way of deciding everyone's wages.

It's a better method than anecdotes about how someone thinks the nurses at their hospital are lovely and caring or how someone's wife/sister/mother is a nurse and she deserves more money.

 

[mayo31]

Let us use supply and demand like Urmston says. Say we have 10 people going for a job which was paying 20k. One of the ten says they will do it for 19k, another 17k and so on. Does that make the wage right for the job?

The NHS has evaluated all jobs using evaluation schemes agreed on by workers and management. That is how jobs should have salaries decided. The increase is a cost of living, it is more expensive to get by, someone in a well paid job is the only person who would choose not to see that.

Good luck to you.

 

[mcmanus]

How am I supposed to know what an equivalent job is? And why should I care?

The laws of supply and demand are the best way to sort out what people are paid.

And at the moment there is an ample supply of NHS staff at current pay rates and so there is absolutely no need to pay them any more.

Anyone who wants nurses to get more money should contact their MP and tell them so or go down to their local hospital and hand out their own cash to nurses, or both.

Is that not how you reach an informed opinion?

Yes.

Using normal economic rules like supply and demand is quite a good way of deciding everyone's wages.

It's a better method than anecdotes about how someone thinks the nurses at their hospital are lovely and caring or how someone's wife/sister/mother is a nurse and she deserves more money.

You obviously do not value the job nurses do for the money they get.

I can't change your view nor would I want to really as everyone is allowed theirs. But thanks as this thread bar BBB and nimrod has made me realise how our NHS is viewed in a good light.

Cheers.

 

[Anonymous]

So you reached an informed opinion by not comparing apples with apples and ignoring that demand for services (and therefore staff) is increasing?

Think we can safely ignore and discount your Breitbart cut and paste claptrap from hereon in.

Thanks for playing.

 

[urmston]

Let us use supply and demand like Urmston says. Say we have 10 people going for a job which was paying 20k. One of the ten says they will do it for 19k, another 17k and so on. Does that make the wage right for the job?

The NHS has evaluated all jobs using evaluation schemes agreed on by workers and management. That is how jobs should have salaries decided. The increase is a cost of living, it is more expensive to get by, someone in a well paid job is the only person who would choose not to see that.

Good luck to you.

No job or skill has an absolute, unchanging value which can be evaluated at one point in time and then become fixed forever.

NHS jobs are no exception.

Over the last few years the real value of the skills of most workers in the private sector has dropped. These workers fund the NHS.

It would be wrong to keep NHS skills at a fixed value, and always updated with inflation matching pay increases when real wages are falling elsewhere.

When the value of skills in the private sector falls in real terms, then the value of comparable skills in the public sector must be reduced too to ensure fairness.

If they don't then you soon reach a situation where a person in the private sector has to pay higher taxes from his lower wages to ensure that someone of an equal skill level in the public sector is kept at an artificially high wage for the prevailing market conditions.

In short, the value of NHS skills should vary up and down with the value of comparable private sector skills, not increase along with them in the good times and be protected during the bad.

 

[Allnightlong]

Talking to a london paramedic today and he told me that the london ambulance service is losing between 40 to 50 staff per month.
they are now recruiting from Oz as there are not enough people in this country applying.
So where is this long queue of people that Urmston thinks there is to fill the roles?
Supply and demand.....not quite

The ones leaving are being paid better in the private sector

And the strange thing is that these private ambulances are being hired by the NHS to help out!!!! Ycmiu

 

[FantasyIreland]

Let us use supply and demand like Urmston says. Say we have 10 people going for a job which was paying 20k. One of the ten says they will do it for 19k, another 17k and so on. Does that make the wage right for the job?

The NHS has evaluated all jobs using evaluation schemes agreed on by workers and management. That is how jobs should have salaries decided. The increase is a cost of living, it is more expensive to get by, someone in a well paid job is the only person who would choose not to see that.

Good luck to you.

Have you ever heard what happens when the pay is peanuts?

 

[FantasyIreland]

Talking to a london paramedic today and he told me that the london ambulance service is losing between 40 to 50 staff per month.
they are now recruiting from Oz as there are not enough people in this country applying.
So where is this long queue of people that Urmston thinks there is to fill the roles?
Supply and demand.....not quite

The ones leaving are being paid better in the private sector

And the strange thing is that these private ambulances are being hired by the NHS to help out!!!! Ycmiu

He hasn't got a clue pal.I tried explaining the situation,from a personal experience viewpoint,a few pages back but it seems to have been ignored.

If such ignorance prevails,this country will very soon get the NHS it deserves.

 

[Rascal]

No job or skill has an absolute, unchanging value which can be evaluated at one point in time and then become fixed forever.



Over the last few years the real value of the skills of most workers in the private sector has dropped. These workers fund the NHS.



If they don't then you soon reach a situation where a person in the private sector has to pay higher taxes from his lower wages to ensure that someone of an equal skill level in the public sector is kept at an artificially high wage for the prevailing market conditions.

.

What part of everybody pays tax do you not understand?

When has the private sector ever paid a different rate of income tax to the public sector? So your point is claptrap