metalblue said:Rascal said:urmston said:Why don't you explain to me why the workers and taxpayers in this country need to pay more than the market dictates for NHS wages?
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Because the market is not the ideal way to decide public sector outcomes.
The market can fail and does regularly because its biased towards the monied. A public sector service can never be allowed to fail as the consequences far outweigh some free market enterprise going bust. I couldnt give two fucks if some entreprunner goes broke, its his problem. The NHS is everyones issue. It cannot fail. Its that important to the fabric of the UK.
The NHS is the most important institution in the country, perhaps not to you but to millions it is. If the NHS collapsed it would be catastrophic...... can you really not see that?
The simple problem with the free market principle in this case (and in other public sectors) is there isn't a significant alternative employer for nurses and doctors to create the market. It is further hindered by national wage settlements.
The proposed NHS reinstatement bill is worth a look http://www.allysonpollock.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/NHS_Reinstatement_Bill_29Aug14.pdf
metalblue said:Rascal said:urmston said:Why don't you explain to me why the workers and taxpayers in this country need to pay more than the market dictates for NHS wages?
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Because the market is not the ideal way to decide public sector outcomes.
The market can fail and does regularly because its biased towards the monied. A public sector service can never be allowed to fail as the consequences far outweigh some free market enterprise going bust. I couldnt give two fucks if some entreprunner goes broke, its his problem. The NHS is everyones issue. It cannot fail. Its that important to the fabric of the UK.
The NHS is the most important institution in the country, perhaps not to you but to millions it is. If the NHS collapsed it would be catastrophic...... can you really not see that?
The simple problem with the free market principle in this case (and in other public sectors) is there isn't a significant alternative employer for nurses and doctors to create the market. It is further hindered by national wage settlements.
The proposed NHS reinstatement bill is worth a look http://www.allysonpollock.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/NHS_Reinstatement_Bill_29Aug14.pdf
urmston said:The correct level of pay for nurses, teachers other pubic sector staff will never be an exact science but if pay all over the economy is stagnant or falling, unemployment is a real problem and public sector recruitment is not a problem, then it should be fairly obvious to most people that increasing public sector pay is not necessary.
I can think of no persuasive argument why public sector staff are now worthy of higher wages at the same time as most other workers are not.
Careful, you'll be on the ignore list as well.FantasyIreland said:If I was on such a good number working for the NHS,why have I left? and how have I found a job in the private sector where my abilities are rewarded far better? and where I don't get treated like dirt by my employers and my (incredibly long....)working day is no longer the most miserable experience imaginable?
Because,by your reasoning,this shouldn't be possible.
BlueBearBoots said:Rasc you posted - "The whole public v private sector debate is mindless in my opinion. Workers are workers whatever they do"
I think this is one of the points urmston is making as in why should the public sector have rises when private sector works on the whole aren't?
strongbowholic said:Careful, you'll be on the ignore list as well.FantasyIreland said:If I was on such a good number working for the NHS,why have I left? and how have I found a job in the private sector where my abilities are rewarded far better? and where I don't get treated like dirt by my employers and my (incredibly long....)working day is no longer the most miserable experience imaginable?
Because,by your reasoning,this shouldn't be possible.