NHS Strike

.....and in many cases the quality of candidate willing to replace the person who has left the NHS is of a lesser standard.
People are reluctantly accepting that improved terms and conditions along with a better work/life balance can be found elsewhere.
 
FantasyIreland said:
.....and in many cases the quality of candidate willing to replace the person who has left the NHS is of a lesser standard.
People are reluctantly accepting that improved terms and conditions along with a better work/life balance can be found elsewhere.
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yes, and thats abroad. its a bloody cying shame this goes on. if i leave these shores(still have to convince the wife)it will be purely for warmer days and a better cleaner enviroment. these people have to just to make a living. terrible.
 
BlueBearBoots said:
mackenzie said:
BlueBearBoots said:
So in cold hard reality it's economics. That's what I was trying to find. We may not like it, it may not be fair but as my boss is fond of saying if you don't like your job/pay/conditions then you know where the door is, there are plenty of people just waiting to replace you.
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Believe it or not, that gets said in the Public Sector too. By senior managers at office meetings.
Now, imagine if nurses, doctors, teachers, the Inland Revenue or in fact anyone on the front line did that en masse. The infrastructure in the country would collapse pretty quickly.
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It would and it would be tragic but I think there has to be masses leaving the profession and no new people coming into it before the government (any government) to take serious action. As urmston posted there are many many more applicants than posts available.
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And yet we've had to recruit from outside the UK to fill gaps in nursing levels, I think it's something like 2,500 extra nurses came last year for the EU partly in response (I would imagine) to the governments decision to cut 10,000 training places in 2010...those nurses would have just been qualifying at the time. I'm sure Portugal's tax payers are delighted.

There is no significant private sector provider of nursing employment and those that do exist have no reason to pay anything more. The problem where market forces don't exist is the employees have no choice but to take matters into their own hands. Not that it really matters here as nurses will never withdraw labour in any meaningful sense, there is something rather british about holding a banner on your day off. And, whilst that remains the case, nurses will continue to gain a lot of sympathy from the public and any government needs to remember that in any battle versus nurses the majority of the public will always side with nurses.
 
I'm not someone who is in favour of strike action but ffs, it's not like the nurses are asking for the earth here and making wholly unrealistic demands. 1% pay rises aren't worth a fucking wank so I'm not surprised they're pissed off.
 
M18CTID said:
I'm not someone who is in favour of strike action but ffs, it's not like the nurses are asking for the earth here and making wholly unrealistic demands. 1% pay rises aren't worth a fucking wank so I'm not surprised they're pissed off.
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isnt it 1% on top of the 3% that 55% of NHS workers are already getting that the dispute is about?
 
If there are so many applicants for these vacancies why are there no, or very few ambulances available in London. A large % of crews are leaving to go abroad, private etc and are not getting replaced. Advice to casualties in accidents are being told to get taxis to hospital.
So perhaps people when being told "if you don't like it, there's the door" are actually leaving and soon someone will have to turn the light out!
 
hedkandi said:
If there are so many applicants for these vacancies why are there no, or very few ambulances available in London. A large % of crews are leaving to go abroad, private etc and are not getting replaced. Advice to casualties in accidents are being told to get taxis to hospital.
So perhaps people when being told "if you don't like it, there's the door" are actually leaving and soon someone will have to turn the light out!
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Just what this government wants, smash the NHS, stuff the peasants, "We're all right Jack !
 
Drewmanc said:
We went on strike for 4 hours from 7-11, the unions offered us the opportunity as ambulance staff to either respond to no calls or just to the most urgent life saving ones (known as red 1 and red 2 calls) everybody I know decided that we would respond to these as no one needed to die for us to get our point accross. The managers who control dispatch then just re-coded all the shit jobs we usually get as red 1/2 calls and we worked straight through, going to such emergencies as 3 year history of not taking medication correctly for chronic arthritis. The management used the fact that we have pride and professionalism in what we do and threw the strike action back in our face. We are leaving in droves and I now believe the good will we show towards our jobs is waining. There will be strike action again and maybe this time people won't be so lucky and we won't attend anything.
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Is that not really bloody dangerous? Are jobs not coded by severity for a reason?
 
BlueBearBoots said:
M18CTID said:
I'm not someone who is in favour of strike action but ffs, it's not like the nurses are asking for the earth here and making wholly unrealistic demands. 1% pay rises aren't worth a fucking wank so I'm not surprised they're pissed off.
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isnt it 1% on top of the 3% that 55% of NHS workers are already getting that the dispute is about?
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The !% was recommended by the pay commission across all levels of nursing staff. The 3% represents an increase to those nurses who are undergoing 'training' and is in recognition that over the last twelve months they will have developed their skills. Graduate Nurses (yes they have a degree or Nursing Diploma) start at £21,388, rising to £27,901due to this 'step' increase in the early years
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
BlueBearBoots said:
M18CTID said:
I'm not someone who is in favour of strike action but ffs, it's not like the nurses are asking for the earth here and making wholly unrealistic demands. 1% pay rises aren't worth a fucking wank so I'm not surprised they're pissed off.
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isnt it 1% on top of the 3% that 55% of NHS workers are already getting that the dispute is about?
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The !% was recommended by the pay commission across all levels of nursing staff. The 3% represents an increase to those nurses who are undergoing 'training' and is in recognition that over the last twelve months they will have developed their skills. Graduate Nurses (yes they have a degree or Nursing Diploma) start at £21,388, rising to £27,901due to this 'step' increase in the early years
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It's degree only nowadays fella. Last nurses with diploma's I think qualified in 2012.
 
It doesn't really matter what the qualifications are for nursing, or any other job for that matter, when it comes to pay.

Recruitment and retainment are the factors for determining pay.

And with thousands of foreign nurses willing to work in the NHS and nursing courses 10 times oversubscribed there is not going to be a nurse shortage any time soon.

When it comes to buying the labour of nurses or anyone else the government has a duty to pay only what is necessary and no more.

The workers who fund the NHS with their tax cash are paid according to the ruthless rules of supply and demand, so it is only fair and reasonable that those who are paid with that tax cash are too.
 
urmston said:
It doesn't really matter what the qualifications are for nursing, or any other job for that matter, when it comes to pay.

Recruitment and retainment are the factors for determining pay.

And with thousands of foreign nurses willing to work in the NHS and nursing courses 10 times oversubscribed there is not going to be a nurse shortage any time soon.

When it comes to buying the labour of nurses or anyone else the government has a duty to pay only what is necessary and no more.

The workers who fund the NHS with their tax cash are paid according to the ruthless rules of supply and demand, so it is only fair and reasonable that those who are paid with that tax cash are too.
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But this, and most likely the next, government want to stop johnny foreigner coming to the UK to work What happens to your supply and demand theory then?
 
And with thousands of foreign nurses willing to work in the NHS and nursing courses 10 times oversubscribed there is not going to be a nurse shortage any time soon.


There are over ten thousand vacancies for nurses and growing. Hope you get a nurse who knows what they are doing if you get ill. lots of foreign nurses are not fit for purpose. Some come from countries less developed and do not have the same equipment knowledge or experience of a NHS trained nurse.
 
urmston said:
It doesn't really matter what the qualifications are for nursing, or any other job for that matter, when it comes to pay.

Recruitment and retainment are the factors for determining pay.

And with thousands of foreign nurses willing to work in the NHS and nursing courses 10 times oversubscribed there is not going to be a nurse shortage any time soon.

When it comes to buying the labour of nurses or anyone else the government has a duty to pay only what is necessary and no more.

The workers who fund the NHS with their tax cash are paid according to the ruthless rules of supply and demand, so it is only fair and reasonable that those who are paid with that tax cash are too.
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Sooooo..perhaps going off topic slightly. We bring in foreign staff to man our hospitals / Care Homes (both for the elderly and the young / Nurseries / schools but recent evidence in the Alice Gross case shows that we as a country are unable to validate / check the criminal records of people who enter the country

Go here

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-29485582" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-29485582</a>

Now..because my Mrs works with children and they come to our house, my entire family (5 of us) have had to be CRB (Criminal Records) checked at a cost of £60+ each....whats the point of any of this if we cannot check the criminal records of foreign staff who work with vulnerable people
 
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
It might save us a few bob if we were to elect foreigners as MPs. I'm sure they would do a better job than the jokes we currently have at Westminster. Fruit pickers from Romania would do a good job on a Commons Select Committee, I'm sure!
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They would at least know what a Weeks pay was like for a Weeks hard work.
 
mcmanus said:
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
bluemoon32 said:
The NHS workers i know just ignored the strike.
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Well they deserve all the shit a Tory government and their mates in American healthcare companies can force down their gullets!
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If you don't stand together the Tories will fuck you right over.
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Correct. Wont be long before they ask for your insurance details or credit card prior to being seen. Its in all our interests to pay for a good NHS.

P.S the labour MP's should refuse any pay rise until the Nurses get one. Too many carrier MP's these days no conviction.
 
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