NHS Strike

[urmston]

Fucking well said mate-Urmston is a clown he really is. In fact when it comes to this he is fucking clueless.

I like the "that we all have to pay for" part...

Urmston let me make it clear to you "WE ALL PAY FUCKING TAX"....Now stop wumming you tool.

Yes we all pay tax. And we all discuss how we want to spend that tax cash.

I don't want to spend it on pay rises for NHS staff because there is simply no need to do so.

Tax money should be spent carefully, not used to over-reward public sector staff.

Enlighten me then..What,Who do you think this money should be spent on if not to reward the hard working NHS staff who do a fantastic job. I don't think it is to much to ask for a pay rise which covers the cost of living.Do you?

I don't mind you asking for a pay rise but there's no reason to give it to you.

I doubt you are in the habit of paying more than you need for things so why do you expect the public to pay more than they need for your labour?

 

[BlueBearBoots]

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interesting infographic

 

[blueinsa]

Yes we all pay tax. And we all discuss how we want to spend that tax cash.

I don't want to spend it on pay rises for NHS staff because there is simply no need to do so.

Tax money should be spent carefully, not used to over-reward public sector staff.

Enlighten me then..What,Who do you think this money should be spent on if not to reward the hard working NHS staff who do a fantastic job. I don't think it is to much to ask for a pay rise which covers the cost of living.Do you?

I don't mind you asking for a pay rise but there's no reason to give it to you.

I doubt you are in the habit of paying more than you need for things so why do you expect the public to pay more than they need for your labour?

You should be a politician given your incredible ability to ignore any questions that just don't suit you.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Yes we all pay tax. And we all discuss how we want to spend that tax cash.

I don't want to spend it on pay rises for NHS staff because there is simply no need to do so.

There is every need when excellent,experienced staff are leaving.

What part of that is confusing you?

Enlighten me then..What,Who do you think this money should be spent on if not to reward the hard working NHS staff who do a fantastic job. I don't think it is to much to ask for a pay rise which covers the cost of living.Do you?

I don't mind you asking for a pay rise but there's no reason to give it to you.

I doubt you are in the habit of paying more than you need for things so why do you expect the public to pay more than they need for your labour?

 

[law74]

Enlighten me then..What,Who do you think this money should be spent on if not to reward the hard working NHS staff who do a fantastic job. I don't think it is to much to ask for a pay rise which covers the cost of living.Do you?

I don't mind you asking for a pay rise but there's no reason to give it to you.

I doubt you are in the habit of paying more than you need for things so why do you expect the public to pay more than they need for your labour?

You should be a politician given your incredible ability to ignore any questions that just don't suit you.

He probably expects Fortnum and Masons quality at aldi prices

 

[PragueBlue]

Let's get one thing perfectly clear from the start, there is NO SHORTAGE OF MONEY in this country, we just need a government that will distribute it more fairly, and not just look after those that fund their party

I agree that is needs to be distributed more fairly. I disagree that distributing it more fairly means giving rises to the NHS staff who are on incremental rises every year already. Maybe we should look at distributing some of it to those in the private sector who have had no pay increases (and even in some cases decreases) for years.

 

[Rascal]

Let's get one thing perfectly clear from the start, there is NO SHORTAGE OF MONEY in this country, we just need a government that will distribute it more fairly, and not just look after those that fund their party

I agree that is needs to be distributed more fairly. I disagree that distributing it more fairly means giving rises to the NHS staff who are on incremental rises every year already. Maybe we should look at distributing some of it to those in the private sector who have had no pay increases (and even in some cases decreases) for years.

What this Govt. has done so succesfully with the help of its friends in the predominatly right wing media is drive a wedge between workers. A worker is a worker. I dont care what they do, they graft. The mindless argument between private anyour wages are lessd public sector workers has only aided the Govt. in its ability to make cuts and divide workers in the face of those cuts. Much of what is reported in the right wing press is just fucking nonsense but it adds to feelings of injustice.

The Tories stated they wanted to shrink the public sector as they had too because of the need to bring down the deficit. They have slashed and burned public services with another announcement this week that Manchester will have to lose another 500 police.


The Tories have used the Bank crash of 2008 to create there idealistic Neo Liberal state that has limited government, small tax, minimal inteference and an economy based on the wishes of what big business want, because big business fund the Tory party.


Public service has always in my lifetime been seen as an honourable thing, you may be paid less but your pension may be better and it was an honourable thing to do. You did your bit for your country not some namless big business conglomerate who could not give two fucks about this country but was only after profit.


And the Tories have done a great job......workers arguing workers whilst the rich laugh all the way to there Cayman Islands account

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Let's get one thing perfectly clear from the start, there is NO SHORTAGE OF MONEY in this country, we just need a government that will distribute it more fairly, and not just look after those that fund their party

I agree that is needs to be distributed more fairly. I disagree that distributing it more fairly means giving rises to the NHS staff who are on incremental rises every year already. Maybe we should look at distributing some of it to those in the private sector who have had no pay increases (and even in some cases decreases) for years.

At least 40 percent of NHS staff don't get the increment rises.

Those that do have to show periodically that they have increased their competence and value to the NHS. What matters is the rate for the job and nurses could earn more by signing up to private agencies, I'm afraid.

Don't fall for the Private Sector Good / Public Sector bad mantra (as Rascal explained).

If you can't manage the above then come along to the Harrogate Bluesbfor for further discussion.

If you are the guy from Knaresborough who sits behind me in 206. Don't worry because I am having a change of scenery and spending tomorrow afternoon in the South Stand.

 

[Petetheblu]

I have read that the other day and as you said it could have been taken from any one of my colleagues at station.

The thing is I don't want to sit around on station all day sipping tea, sleeping or working out, however its straight out every shift then its normally 8 hours before I'm allowed to use the toilet, eat, drink or catch up on important emails (ebola, coroners court, change of medicine procedures etc whilst I cram food into my stomach) Does anyone else do this on their 30 minutes break? Then bang on 30 mins it another job, of course it straight out as you can't delay an emergency so if you've not eaten or used the conveniences it tough titty. I'd just like to be treated like an human being and not a bum on a seat by my NHS bosses. I've risked my life saving others, I don't want praise, medals or certificates, I just want to pay my bloody bills.
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Yerr, I deserve my 1% Mr Hunt, in fact I deserve your 10%!

Great post mate.With you all the way.Ive just got in from my job..Stressed out to fuck.Urmston should come sit in my world..your world and all public sector staffs world for a day or two..Hed soon realose the realities of it...
Fuck the tories..c**ts

If you don't like your job you should quit and move on to something better.

There'll be someone else to take your place soon enough.

NHS staff are replaceable like all other workers.

But you won't quit. You'll look at the jobs, wages, pensions and other benefits available to a person of your skills and realise that the NHS is easily your best bet.

So stop whining.

Am I right or am I right?

Why should I quit it, I've worked hard to get where I am? And if I quit where would I go, mates have gone to the private sector only to find that the equipment is very poor. That's okay if your job is making cardboard boxes, but stressful if your defib isn't workingon a cardiac arrest. Would you pat a paramedic on the back if his/her defib didn't shock your family?

I know that you're just asking questions, thats fine, but do you know anything about being a front line servant to the masses on medical grounds?

 

[Petetheblu]

"Ministers in England have awarded NHS staff a 1% increase, but only for those without automatic progression-in-the-job rises"

which amount to 3% on average. Approx 40% of NHS staff did get the 1 % rise the ones that didnt had already had on average 3% which is a heck of a lot more than most in the private sector


have to agree with urmston's comments on this one yes the NHS is vitally important but there isnt a good economic reason for giving this 1% rise across the board

How about trained staff leaving. Are you not the least bit worried that you family may be treated by hired staff with poor training?

Also its not just about a 1% rise, it's about all the other cuts that happen, from training to cutting meal breaks.

I'll challenge anyone on here who says I'm not worth 1% after 3 year of nothing but cuts.