Nicolas Otamendi - 2016/17 performances

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Watch Mbappe's movements. Thsts what OTA was tracking. Stones was trying hard to keep a line but no one else was.

The question then becomes in what scenario is holding the line advantageous and when is it detrimental and probably best to man up and address the danger instead. I think these are arguments and positions folks can disagree on.

I have seen defenders on the opposite side of where the ball is located with no defensive engagegement of their own, keep a player on side. Clichy a few times Kolarov a lot and Ota on some occasions too...

But when a player is engaging an actual threat and reacts to that threat, this for me negates culpability. He is backing Stones thus can't see where Stones is trying to form the imaginary line. And he is keeping the ball and his mark both in front o him. This is generally good good defending practice. See the ball and see your responsibility.

Mbappe taking a quick left step forced him to step back to keep both Mpabbe and the ball in his line of vision. This is a sound defending practice.

The problems with these discussions is that often they are outcome dependent. I.e. the conclusion that you have acted incorrectly is arrived at because of the result that ensued.

This is erroneous. Good decisions in football so not guarantee that you'd never encounter a bad result, but rather it purports that if you practice the right things, your positive results will consistently outperform the negative ones.

If you read my original post on his performance, you'd see I pointed out he had some bad moves and lots of good ones. So overall I thought him decent.

Mbappe is a good four yards away from Ota mate, I agree he tucked back in to prevent the ball being played to him but he needlessly dropped too deep. Watch Falcao after he scored, he looks at the lino expecting a flag because he knows he was ahead of Stones and Sagna.

In general I'm not an Otamendi basher but I was horrified by his lack of awareness in general on Tuesday night.
 
But when a player is engaging an actual threat and reacts to that threat, this for me negates culpability. He is backing Stones thus can't see where Stones is trying to form the imaginary line. And he is keeping the ball and his mark both in front o him. This is generally good good defending practice. See the ball and see your responsibility.

Mbappe taking a quick left step forced him to step back to keep both Mpabbe and the ball in his line of vision. This is a sound defending practice.

This is his problem, and the problem nearly all ex pros highlight when analysing Otamendi. He is far too reactionary. That why he tackles so much. That's why he goes to ground so often. He's reactionary. This is not a good trait in a centre half.
All good centre backs have an excellent understanding of movement. You will nearly always here top clas defender labelled excellent readers of the game.
Otamendi is a terrible reader of the game. He's far too reactionary. 90% of the time this makes him look good, 10% horrendous.
Stats don't take positioning or reading of the game into account, that's why it's dangerous to use them when evaluating defenders.

I like @Rolee am far from a hater of the guy. In fact I find him terribly frustrating, he has many great attributes. But his positional awareness and reactionary style can be infuriating. As can the silly free kick he will give away game after game. He can be capable of sublime excellence and within 2 seconds complete idiocy or calamatous defending.
 
Seen as i'm a critic of his, it's only fair to say he was solid enough last night. When that lad had that free header that he put wide/over, I immediately thought Ota was a yard or two out of position from him but, on replay, it was clearly Stones who went wandering in that situation
 
Him and stones in the center of the pitch coupled with zabaleta and clichy is a disaster waiting to happen. A better team could've easily had 3 goals yesterday. Its got to a point where I'm more confident when Kolarov is playing in the center of defense with either of them compared to when they both start together
 
Very good again today. I think the thing about Otamendi is he's awful for one game and then brilliant for the next five. We'd struggle without him.
 
One of the men of the match, he handled the rough house tactics that Boro had adopted well.
 
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