Looking online I can only find two instances of serving police officers committing murder in the UK, so I don't understand how Farage's comments on the Couzens case are relevant to whether two-tier policing exists. One concerns an individual crime; the other is a claim about policing as a system.
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Nigel Farage
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He’s wrong about the Couzens case too. The **** was nicknamed because of his creepiness and his colleagues knew he was a wrongun, they should have turfed him out well before he had the chance to do what he did.Looking online I can only find two instances of serving police officers committing murder in the UK, so I don't understand how Farage's comments on the Couzens case are relevant to whether two-tier policing exists. One concerns an individual crime; the other is a claim about policing as a system.
Farage will do and say whatever he can to be popular, his Brexit message was all over the place, at one point saying we could be the same as Norway, without realising Norway has freedom of movement that was his biggest EU gripe.
You have exactly no idea who you are talking too. I don't use twitter or blue sky, and i happen to come on here because I like chatting to, and hearing from, people with views different to mine. Makes life more interesting. You are something different. A complete bore who makes any thread you interact with all about you and keep taking it off topic. You bored the tits off everyone on the brexit thread, and you're doing the same here.No I won’t. I’m entitled to share my views, there’s lots of people agreeing with you that aren’t posting about Farage too. Why don’t you tell them to fuck off?
You’re that insecure you can’t stand someone not agreeing with you. Your blue sky and Twitter algorithms endlessly showing you stuff you like haven’t helped you.
The pattern of behaviour in Nowak’s case
What pattern of behaviour?
Name the exact behaviour that proves this was racism and not simply a police officer believing the majority, not seeing any clear evidence of a stabbing, and hence believing the story they were expecting to find based on the 999 call.
Point out one single thing that shows Nowak’s race was the reason he wasn’t believed.
reverse racism has happened by the police and authorities.
PROVE IT.
Or give a single statistic or fact that points to it.
Because when people claimed racism towards minorities they had heaps of data to back it up, because it was real. The didn’t rely on anecdotes from right wing fascist looking to stir up discontent like Nige.
The Alex Jay inquiry in 2014 literally stated on a significant number of occasions victims weren’t believed, ignored, failed because of the races of the perpetrators and the victims.PROVE IT.
Or give a single statistic or fact that points to it.
Because when people claimed racism towards minorities they had heaps of data to back it up, because it was real. The didn’t rely on anecdotes from right wing fascist looking to stir up discontent like Nige.
The 2025 review by Louise Casey concluded that authorities had often “shied away” from discussing offender ethnicity and that fears of appearing racist contributed to failures in data collection and investigation. It found evidence of over-representation of Asian/Pakistani suspects in some local datasets while also noting that national ethnicity data was often incomplete.
Victims have argued that predominantly white working-class girls were dismissed as unreliable, troublesome, or responsible for their own exploitation. Official reports repeatedly found victim-blaming attitudes and class prejudice.
This is all official literature from the reviews taken.
Now what do you say?
The Alex Jay inquiry in 2014 literally stated on a significant number of occasions victims weren’t believed, ignored, failed because of the races of the perpetrators and the victims.
The 2025 review by Louise Casey concluded that authorities had often “shied away” from discussing offender ethnicity and that fears of appearing racist contributed to failures in data collection and investigation. It found evidence of over-representation of Asian/Pakistani suspects in some local datasets while also noting that national ethnicity data was often incomplete.
Victims have argued that predominantly white working-class girls were dismissed as unreliable, troublesome, or responsible for their own exploitation. Official reports repeatedly found victim-blaming attitudes and class prejudice.
This is all official literature from the reviews taken.
Now what do you say?
Sorry, we've crossed wires here. I'm asking you to prove/show any evidence that "reverse racism" from new police training manuals is the reason Henry Nowak wasn't believed. WHich is what you, Farage and Robinson have claimed.
The CSE thing is a different thread of the conversation - I can happily accept fear of being seen as racist influenced that, my issue with you there was that you think people didn't cover up CSE by white people too.
the question surely is why wasn't henry believed, the officers as far i'm concerned should trust no one until actual facts are established, by all means take what has been said on board but that's different to just believing the first one to speakWhat pattern of behaviour?
Name the exact behaviour that proves this was racism and not simply a police officer believing the majority, not seeing any clear evidence of a stabbing, and hence believing the story they were expecting to find based on the 999 call.
Point out one single thing that shows Nowak’s race was the reason he wasn’t believed.
terrible policing
mosssideblue
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The hole he’s dug isn’t deep enough yetI ask you to prove "reverse racism" from post-2020 police training manuals is the reason Henry Nowak wasn't believed and you've replied about child grooming gangs in the 2000's...
the question surely is why wasn't henry believed, the officers as far i'm concerned should trust no one until actual facts are established, by all means take what has been said on board but that's different to just believing the first one to speak
terrible policing
I think the reason he wasn't believed was -
- Police went in with a preconceived idea of the disturbance they would find. They weren't called to a stabbing.
- There was no clear sign he'd been stabbed. The bleeding was almost all internal and there was no weapon around.
- They were met with an organised conspiracy by an entire family denying there was a stabbing with a story that confirmed what they were told they were going to find on arrival.
I think the Police were negligent, I'm just yet to see any evidence offered that race was a factor in him not being believed as Farage claims.
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gordondaviesmoustache
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Plus he’s erstwhile mates with a child murderer and child rapist.Well if we’re talking about noncing and those people who have enabled nonces then Farage is on record a few months back as saying that people should lay off Andrew Mountbatten of Windsor because he’s suffered enough!
never mentioned race mate, i said the officers should believe nobody until the facts are established, take on board what was initially reported by all means, henry was clearly in distress but was not initially believed and treated disgracefullyI think the reason he wasn't believed was -
- Police went in with a preconceived idea of the disturbance they would find. They weren't called to a stabbing.
- There was no clear sign he'd been stabbed. The bleeding was almost all internal and there was no weapon around.
- They were met with an organised conspiracy by an entire family denying there was a stabbing.
I think the Police were negligent, I'm just yet to see any evidence offered that race was a factor in him not being believed.
as i've said terrible policing
the same behaviours were there in how the police dealt with the situation.
Where?
Again I ask you to point to one single thing that the police did in the Novak situation that points towards race being a factor. You can't because there isn't one, and that's why you and Nige and Tommy 2 names band of thugs are wrong.
As if the murder weapon was just going to be at the scene.I think the reason he wasn't believed was -
- Police went in with a preconceived idea of the disturbance they would find. They weren't called to a stabbing.
- There was no clear sign he'd been stabbed. The bleeding was almost all internal and there was no weapon around.
- They were met with an organised conspiracy by an entire family denying there was a stabbing with a story that confirmed what they were told they were going to find on arrival.
I think the Police were negligent, I'm just yet to see any evidence offered that race was a factor in him not being believe
The Light Was Yellow Sir
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At least 16 serving or former policemen have killed women. For a man who claims to want to protect women (same as Yaxley), they've a funny way of showing it...Looking online I can only find two instances of serving police officers committing murder in the UK, so I don't understand how Farage's comments on the Couzens case are relevant to whether two-tier policing exists. One concerns an individual crime; the other is a claim about policing as a system.
These are their names, if you're interested...
i] Claire Howarth, 32, (2009); Josephine Lamb, 58, (2009); Samantha Day, 38, (2011); Heather Cooper, 33, (2011); Janet Methven, 80, (2012); Nataie Esak, 33, (2012); Victoria Rose, 58, )(2013); Emma Siswick, 37, (2014); Jill Goldsmith, 49, (2015); Leanne McKie, 39, (2017); Avis Addison, (88), (2017); Bernadette Green, 88 (2018);Alice Farquharson, 56, (2019); Luz Margory Isava Villegas, 50, (2019),Claire Parry, 41, (2020); Sarah Everard, 33, (2021).
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Isnt this (Baroness Louise Casey) more up to date :"Grooming gangs" is a common issue brought up in relation to the subject of race, but there is a lack of reliable evidence that race is even relevant.
From a 2023 BBC article:
"The Home Office commissioned a study of the available data in 2020. It said:
It found there was limited research on offender identity and poor quality data, which made it difficult to draw conclusions, however "it is likely that no one community or culture is uniquely predisposed to offending".
- "The academic literature highlights significant limitations to what can be said about links between ethnicity and this form of offending."
- "Research has found that group-based child sexual exploitation offenders are most commonly white."
- "Some studies suggest an over-representation of Black and Asian offenders relative to the demographics of national populations."
"In the report, Baroness Casey said: The report concluded that ignorance and a fear of being seen as racist meant organisations tasked with protecting children turned a blind eye to abuse.
"We found many examples of organisations avoiding the topic altogether for fear of appearing racist, raising community tensions or causing community cohesion problems," the report said
For me I always got the impression it was the police and the surrounding authorities ignoring a crime because there was an accusation of being racist to contend with.
I also thought they were addressing it by starting to record the ethnicity of suspects in future, something they never used to do for some reason.
That the murderer was was just as surprising.As if the murder weapon was just going to be at the scene.
You asked me to prove that reverse racism has happened, I gave you widespread institutionalised incidents. Do you now accept that? I’m not going to allow you to just gloss over that because I’ve given you the evidence you asked for.Where?
Again I ask you to point to one single thing that the police did in the Novak situation that points towards race being a factor. You can't because there isn't one, and that's why you and Nige and Tommy 2 names band of thugs are wrong.
I’ve already said it, you refuse to acknowledge it, their levels of negligence and behaviour pattern were the same as we saw in the Grooming Gang Scandal, that has been PROVEN to be widespread examples of reverse racism.
They ignored the more serious claims, took the accusations of racism as gospel and most serious, actually belittled someone claiming to be stabbed and on the floor. You’ve said they were negligent, this is a level of negligence so extreme that I fail to understand how it can be done without prejudice going into the situation.
It’s the same pattern repeated hundreds of times in the grooming gang scandal.
You won’t accept it because it shatters your political worldview. You lack objectivity on on it and on the grooming gang scandal. It’s also why I’ve received abuse and anger from people whose entire politics is white people are always the oppressors and non-whites are victims.
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Both Farage and his supporters are wrong’ens, proper wrong’ens!