No Smoke Without Fire?

vallens said:
Id expect to see a topic like this on RAWK ,its embarrassing.Drogba scored an offside goal last year at Old Trafford to win the league for Chelsea.I think that tests the conspiracy theory to the full.
Stop talking sense, ManU obviously pay off the refs and if they didn't then they would be in non league football as thats how shit they are. I mean you never see dodgy ref descisions in EVERY single league match do you?.
 
Sugarloaf said:
Johnsonontheleft said:
Yet again a United game turns on a crucial decision, whether it's letting Neville off red cards, not giving stonewall penalties or allowing Nani to kick a stationary ball into the net - I'm losing count of the amount of times this has happened this season.

I'm not naive enough to think United are where they are purely due to referees, they are a very good side, but it has happened too often for too long.

In the second half Walton's performance totally shifted from impartial to biased, from the booking of Adam to individual freekicks to the blatant pen decision. Webb did the same vs Liverpool. Dowd did it last March. Clattenburg vs Spurs and the Nani fiasco. Marriner let Neville off a blatant red. They haven't lost with Walton in charge.

Google 'Walton paid off' - a fulham fan has documented several dodgy United decisions which turned games around.

It runs deeper than simply spur of the moment decisions IMO.

YouTube the Jonny Evans kick on Drogba and tell me how the FA, after watching that, decided no action was necessary. Rafael was let off last week after a conference call with Ferguson. Countless other examples of Rooney elbows and Ronaldo kicks have gone unpunished by both referees and the FA. The only 'harsh' thing the FA have done to United was the Ferdinand ban - everything else stinks of corruption.

Not that anyone will ever do anything about it.

Am I barking up the wrong tree here or is there a potential Serie A-style corruption going on?

Maybe I'm just bitter, but something just doesn't feel right.


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Post subject: Re: Consistency?Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:25 am



Joined: Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:35 pm
Posts: 55 Lordeffingham wrote:
There have been a few articles on here recently, in which I and others have given strong views at the despicable behaviour of that cnutish little upstart Rafael, and his disgusting conduct, and I've just found something very interesting and that could lead to the FA, once and for all proving whether or not it has a secret agenda and shows undoubted favouritism towards the scummy red bastards we all love so much, on here.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba</a> ... h-ban.html

Refusing to leave Old Trafford pitch is set to cost Mascherano a three-match ban

Javier Mascherano is facing a three-match ban for his sending off at Manchester United, with the FA set to charge him with improper misconduct.
The Argentinian international is likely to have his mandatory one-game suspension for getting two yellow cards extended because of his refusal to leave the field after referee Steve Bennett's decision.

Bennett is expected to hand in his official match report today and the FA are keen to make an example of Mascherano, who still believes he did nothing wrong.

He said: 'I do not know why I was sent off. I asked the referee what was happening. I did not swear, I was not aggressive and I did not confront him.
All I did was ask him what was happening, nothing else. When he showed the second yellow card and sent me off I could not believe it'.?

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Now as in Rafaels case, Mascherano did not shout 'you're a fucking wanker' or any of the other vile abuse that came from this arogant little pricks foreign tongue, directly at the referee, however none the less, he then subsequently found himself on the recieving end of a further two game ban, implimented by the FA.

I think it could well be an interesting comparison, as both were for almost exacly the same situation, both sent off for 2 yellows, and both being reluctant to say the least, to leave the field of play without dissent.

Lets see how this unfolds, hope the FA realise that dual standards cannot be seen to apply and that their integrity will be placed in further doubt if they do not take the appropriate action.


Jeez, I think it's time you found yourself a girlfriend. You're one step away from going through someones bins.




Post subject: Re: Consistency?Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:25 am



Joined: Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:35 pm
Posts: 55 Lordeffingham wrote:
There have been a few articles on here recently, in which I and others have given strong views at the despicable behaviour of that cnutish little upstart Rafael, and his disgusting conduct, and I've just found something very interesting and that could lead to the FA, once and for all proving whether or not it has a secret agenda and shows undoubted favouritism towards the scummy red bastards we all love so much, on here.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba</a> ... h-ban.html

Refusing to leave Old Trafford pitch is set to cost Mascherano a three-match ban

Javier Mascherano is facing a three-match ban for his sending off at Manchester United, with the FA set to charge him with improper misconduct.
The Argentinian international is likely to have his mandatory one-game suspension for getting two yellow cards extended because of his refusal to leave the field after referee Steve Bennett's decision.

Bennett is expected to hand in his official match report today and the FA are keen to make an example of Mascherano, who still believes he did nothing wrong.

He said: 'I do not know why I was sent off. I asked the referee what was happening. I did not swear, I was not aggressive and I did not confront him.
All I did was ask him what was happening, nothing else. When he showed the second yellow card and sent me off I could not believe it'.?

**********************************************************

Now as in Rafaels case, Mascherano did not shout 'you're a fucking wanker' or any of the other vile abuse that came from this arogant little pricks foreign tongue, directly at the referee, however none the less, he then subsequently found himself on the recieving end of a further two game ban, implimented by the FA.

I think it could well be an interesting comparison, as both were for almost exacly the same situation, both sent off for 2 yellows, and both being reluctant to say the least, to leave the field of play without dissent.

Lets see how this unfolds, hope the FA realise that dual standards cannot be seen to apply and that their integrity will be placed in further doubt if they do not take the appropriate action.


Jeez, I think it's time you found yourself a girlfriend. You're one step away from going through someones bins.


At least you'r consistant.
 
i dont personally think united are paying them off, but they are certainly biased in some way towards them. i know how this might sound to another fan around the country but somethings not right here. i think all season i have come back from a match maybe once or twice and thought "the ref was alright today" the rest have been abissmal. i generally think some refs dis-like certain teams.
 
Come on lads stuff like this makes us look really bitter. Every club has decisions go their way in almost every game. We had it in the Blackpool game twice and a few other times this season. I follow La Liga and Seria A a lot and the best thing about the football here in the Premier League is that there is never any corruption.
 
You don't need a conspiracy for Utd to keep effectively buying off the refs.

Utd can hurt the refs, and they know it. It's actually quite enough. The refs have mortgages too, and rarely a backbone. Hence, all the required prerequisites are there.
 
wanderer72 said:
You don't need a conspiracy for Utd to keep effectively buying off the refs.

Utd can hurt the refs, and they know it. It's actually quite enough. The refs have mortgages too, and rarely a backbone. Hence, all the required prerequisites are there.

Do you genuinely believe that ?
 
sibierski express said:
Come on lads stuff like this makes us look really bitter. Every club has decisions go their way in almost every game. We had it in the Blackpool game twice and a few other times this season. I follow La Liga and Seria A a lot and the best thing about the football here in the Premier League is that there is never any corruption.

This.

It's a joke that the referees are so corrupt they make blatant decisions. It just doesn't happen, and as has been pointed out, it makes us look more than a little bitter.

United won, accept it, and let's hope we beat Notts County on Sunday with a dodgy decision from the referee.
 
vallens said:
wanderer72 said:
You don't need a conspiracy for Utd to keep effectively buying off the refs.

Utd can hurt the refs, and they know it. It's actually quite enough. The refs have mortgages too, and rarely a backbone. Hence, all the required prerequisites are there.

Do you genuinely believe that ?

Yup. I'd love filling all the gaps in between so it makes a stronger argumentation (this is an outline) but I'm too bored at the moment, it would take half an hour. Anyone who has seen it happen before and elsewhere will know what I'm talking about.
 
Do I think money changes hands? No.
Do I think Utd get decisions through undue influence? Yes.


It only takes a ref to shade decisions 1% in a game to throw it in a teams favour, Utd are brilliant at taking advantage of that and fair play to them that they make the most of their opportunities. Trouble is they shouldn't be given those opportunities in the first place.

Graham Poll is on record as saying he would think very hard about giving a decision against them because it may have affected his career and what future games he was awarded, there is no reason the same mindset should not apply to othere refs.

As for the Drogba goal last year, Chelsea were denied a stonewall penalty in the same game,but no one bothers to mention it.

Thought I'd throw this post I made a while back into the mix.

I googled the Premier league to look at the forthcoming fixtures and noted, not for the first time that the rags have their own subheader so after looking at the fixtures I had a look (shame on me) and there's a glowing Club profile.
So I thought "What's City's like?" and clicked the club crest.
There isn't one (the crest links to City's OS) and more interestingly there doesn't appear to be one for any other club either. Following the brass faced England United world cup bid why is anyone in any doubt that the Rags receive preferential consideration from within the football hierarchy in this country and is it any wonder why every other manager is in thrall to their influence within the game.
It's a shame David Bernstein will have no say in reducing this pernicious bias other than balancing the scales against his current vice-chairman, David Gill, who is already utterly entangled in the football politics of this country and Europe.
Somebody needs to tell the Premier league that the interests of English football and Manchester United are not one and the same thing.
 
I don't think there is any corruption. Fact of the matter is they scored 3, Blackpool scored 2, if they had our defending nous they would of shut shop. Stupid twat Holloway though is to proud for that and hence lost the game. United are just one of those teams that thrive upon a team that is settled into doing them over, how many times has it happened since 99. Say what you want about the ref but if you don't play the football and defend your lead you will lose.

Definitely a penalty though.
 

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