No Smoke Without Fire?

Very nice if unintended comment in the Daily Mail (split either side of the photo):

It could have got even worse had referee Peter Walton not looked so leniently on Rafael’s clumsy challenge on Varney in the penalty box early in the second half.

But there is a reason why United are now unbeaten in 28 games.


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The award of a penalty and sending off a player for denying a goal scoring opportunity is, in the rough and tumble of a tackle, 100% judgement. We might see it as rock solid fact, particularly when it comes to MANUre, but whether there is any skullduggery in the background or not, they are on the receiving end of favourable judgements in matches where they are having a bit of a struggle. Those judgements would not be made in the favour of clubs like Wigan, Blackpool, Fulham or Wolves. Had that incident been at t'other end, the penalty would have been awarded and the Blackpool guy would have been sent off. I do not have the slightest doubt.

They receive favourable treatment way over the 'swings and roundabouts' so oft quoted on here. Their success is built on it.
 
I would have said the same as those ridiculing the conspiracy theorists. That was until I read a book called "The Fix" by Declan Hill. Changed the way I view games.



Review
“Declan has written a well-researched book of investigative journalistic brilliance. A book that deals with the unseen and often shadowy world of soccer’s match-fixing. . . . A world the authorities try to ignore; the effects of its existence swept under the carpet in the name of preserving the game’s image.”
–Shaka Hislop, ESPN soccer commentator and former English Premier League and World Cup goalkeeper

"Fascinating. . . . Part true-crime potboiler, part spy thriller, part academic discourse and part journey of personal discovery."
— Stephen Brunt, Globe and Mail

"A powerful investigative work…. The Fix is a fascinating read."
— Ottawa Citizen

"Sensationa…. Fascinating…. [Hill] makes a good case."
— Winnipeg Free Press

"An explosive book."
— Daily Mail

"Declan Hill literally takes his life into his own hands…. [He] presents convincing evidence that even games in the 2006 World Cup in Germany were fixed…. Read this book and you'll second guess every referee's dodgy call."
— Replay magazine

Some very interesting articles/opinions on the attached blog:

http://www.howtofixasoccergame.com/blog/

This one of particular interest (you may not know that one of the leading referres in Germany confessed to fixing games):

I ask because of another very good article that came out in a Rupert Murdoch owned newspaper this weekend – News of the World – (the same people who broke the Pakistani cricket scandal) announced that the German police had established links with corruption in English football. I have been saying much the same thing for the last two years, but, as a Canadian journalist, I have not been able to get any UK media outlet to back me to do a proper investigation. Hopefully, now, we will start to see some proper investigations begun into the real state of football in the UK.
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Ok then, let's say you dismiss the in-match decisions,

How do you account for the FA's repeated lack of action after clear video evidence??

Compare the SWP kick at Delap to the Ronaldo kick at Dunne on the same weekend.
Look at the Vidic elbows on YouTube. Look at the Jonny Evans incident and tell me how the FA decided no action was necessary:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs88nvpF_gw&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/youtube]
 
Johnsonontheleft said:
Ok then, let's say you dismiss the in-match decisions,

How do you account for the FA's repeated lack of action after clear video evidence??

Compare the SWP kick at Delap to the Ronaldo kick at Dunne on the same weekend.
Look at the Vidic elbows on YouTube. Look at the Jonny Evans incident and tell me how the FA decided no action was necessary:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs88nvpF_gw&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/youtube]
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I'm sure we could sit here all day trudging up various clips of camera angles from You Tube. You are paranoid, just like a large proportion of this forum. For your health and sanity I suggest caring only about what we do, and hoping WE one day emulate what UNITED do - win games when playing like dog shit. That is the difference, the only difference I might add, between having no PL titles and having whatever amount it is they have.
 
Johnsonontheleft said:
Yet again a United game turns on a crucial decision, whether it's letting Neville off red cards, not giving stonewall penalties or allowing Nani to kick a stationary ball into the net - I'm losing count of the amount of times this has happened this season.

I'm not naive enough to think United are where they are purely due to referees, they are a very good side, but it has happened too often for too long.

In the second half Walton's performance totally shifted from impartial to biased, from the booking of Adam to individual freekicks to the blatant pen decision. Webb did the same vs Liverpool. Dowd did it last March. Clattenburg vs Spurs and the Nani fiasco. Marriner let Neville off a blatant red. They haven't lost with Walton in charge.

Google 'Walton paid off' - a fulham fan has documented several dodgy United decisions which turned games around.

It runs deeper than simply spur of the moment decisions IMO.

YouTube the Jonny Evans kick on Drogba and tell me how the FA, after watching that, decided no action was necessary. Rafael was let off last week after a conference call with Ferguson. Countless other examples of Rooney elbows and Ronaldo kicks have gone unpunished by both referees and the FA. The only 'harsh' thing the FA have done to United was the Ferdinand ban - everything else stinks of corruption.

Not that anyone will ever do anything about it.

Am I barking up the wrong tree here or is there a potential Serie A-style corruption going on?

Maybe I'm just bitter, but something just doesn't feel right.
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walton has reffed 18 scum matches during his tenure as a prem ref..they have never lost.. says it all.
 
Pigeonho said:
Johnsonontheleft said:
Ok then, let's say you dismiss the in-match decisions,

How do you account for the FA's repeated lack of action after clear video evidence??

Compare the SWP kick at Delap to the Ronaldo kick at Dunne on the same weekend.
Look at the Vidic elbows on YouTube. Look at the Jonny Evans incident and tell me how the FA decided no action was necessary:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs88nvpF_gw&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/youtube]
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I'm sure we could sit here all day trudging up various clips of camera angles from You Tube. You are paranoid, just like a large proportion of this forum. For your health and sanity I suggest caring only about what we do, and hoping WE one day emulate what UNITED do - win games when playing like dog shit. That is the difference, the only difference I might add, between having no PL titles and having whatever amount it is they have.
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Am I paranoid as well, and I am not even a City supporter? (before you ask, I am really only ever going to really support a club which you've never heard of, even there hopefully somewhat objectively).

I've been saying this for a long time (not here though) -- Vidic is the dirtiest defender in the Premiership, but now with Rafael around, I am not sure. Either way, this is now an already established MUTD school of football, it is as simple as that.

And most of it is down to Fergie, he's a somewhat refined dirtbag himself.
 
Dzeko's Right Boot said:
Corruption is a mighty accusation. Personally, I think the FA and it's members are far too pure to accept payments to fix games. But I do think many of it's members and referees are intimidated by Sir Red Nose, and as a result favour United. Imagine giving a penalty to the opposite team against United that puts the game out of their favour. They will then get a tongue lashing from Fergie, and he won't be punished for it due to the "respect" he "deserves".

EDIT: A journalist or something needs to get wind of that Fulham article, could cause some damage.
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I agree. It's not corruption, it's not bribary; it's that everyone is gutless as fuck and scared to death of a Fergie backlash. We see and hear his poison words and actions, he doesn't hold back does he? But just imagine the shit he pulls that we don't see or hear. Imagine the extremity of strongly worded letters and phone calls that Fergie makes behind closed doors, I'll guarantee he threatens people in a way that intimidates everyone. Thus EVERYONE walks round in egg shells for Man U-fuckin-nited and they get all these decisions their way.

I said recently in a thread asking why we're not quite a top team yet and one of my reasons was because Mancini hasn't been here long enough and MCFC haven't been at the too long enough to command this sort of respect and fear factor.
 
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