North Stand Construction Discussion

jrb said:
Coaches and buses are parking on the cycle lane opposite the CFA stadium.

The picture I took shows that and a cyclist having to use the busy dual carriageway going past the CFA instead of using the cycle lane. 1st picture.

You can just make out the cyclist infront of the white coach.

2 different home games.

Wolves.

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The cyclists can thank burnham and his mates at the council. People have to park somewhere. Wait till the first arena clash, it will be bedlam when we play West Ham. Etihad campus has world class investors back up by a corner shop council and completely disinterested Tory government. My one hope is labour government will get the act together on trams trains and bus infrastructure.
until then we need a rethink on the parking, we need more not less!
 
Holcombe bloo said:
The cyclists can thank burnham and his mates at the council. People have to park somewhere. Wait till the first arena clash, it will be bedlam when we play West Ham. Etihad campus has world class investors back up by a corner shop council and completely disinterested Tory government. My one hope is labour government will get the act together on trams trains and bus infrastructure.
until then we need a rethink on the parking, we need more not less!
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That shouldn’t mean parking dangerously though, that’s no excuse. There’s plenty of safer places to wait.

And you do realise Andy Burnham IS Labour and IS trying to sort out those things you mention? Reregulation of the buses is much, much better than the horrible mish-mash of companies we had before. Mainly taking these sort of decisions out of Central Government is best.
 
Citizen of Legoland said:
That shouldn’t mean parking dangerously though, that’s no excuse. There’s plenty of safer places to wait.

And you do realise Andy Burnham IS Labour and IS trying to sort out those things you mention? Reregulation of the buses is much, much better than the horrible mish-mash of companies we had before. Mainly taking these sort of decisions out of Central Government is best.
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Yes of course and the bus reg is a good thing, but the parking restrictions are a very poor idea given almost no extra public transport as yet
 
Prophet of Doom said:
There is a £2b redevelopment of the area planned. I’ve heard Mayfield Depot where the Warehouse Project is will be going and range of developments on the cards.

This article gives a little bit of info on some of the plans

www.thebusinessdesk.com

Updated plans for £1.5bn Mayfield development approved | TheBusinessDesk.com

Revised proposals include city’s biggest cycle hub and two new office buildings
www.thebusinessdesk.com
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My firm has seen no less than 3 proposed BTR resi schemes from developers in what’s dubbed “Piccadilly East”, which is in the vicinity of Mayfield. All 20+ storeys.
 
Citizen of Legoland said:
That shouldn’t mean parking dangerously though, that’s no excuse. There’s plenty of safer places to wait.

And you do realise Andy Burnham IS Labour and IS trying to sort out those things you mention? Reregulation of the buses is much, much better than the horrible mish-mash of companies we had before. Mainly taking these sort of decisions out of Central Government is best.
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Even a Scouser gets the odd decision right!
 
I think I've managed to confuse myself over the new and old NS roofs (or we just don't know yet).

Are the cables coming from the top of the new steelwork supporting the new roof, as the beams don't look anywhere near deep enough to cantilever it? Are they also supporting the existing cable net system allowing the old roof to be taken apart? I know @Coatigan thinks (or thought) that the cable net will be truncated and connected to the ends of the new roof, although I'm still doubtful on that myself. If not the cables attached to the top of the new steelwork, has anyone come up with a viable idea of where the cables for the cable net are attached?
 
Centurions said:
I think I've managed to confuse myself over the new and old NS roofs (or we just don't know yet).

Are the cables coming from the top of the new steelwork supporting the new roof, as the beams don't look anywhere near deep enough to cantilever it? Are they also supporting the existing cable net system allowing the old roof to be taken apart? I know @Coatigan thinks (or thought) that the cable net will be truncated and connected to the ends of the new roof, although I'm still doubtful on that myself. If not the cables attached to the top of the new steelwork, has anyone come up with a viable idea of where the cables for the cable net are attached?
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I don't think the specidic anchor piece is in yet.

The way I see it, they are making a robust connections 'cage', that the cables will reattach to. The strongest of which is the middle and top portion. The whole thing will work together though, and offsets diagonally down towards the stand. Till the back bit that grounds it is added, at which point it would spread more evenly. I'll do some arrows of how I imagine it all works at some point. Definitely highly intriguing though.
 
Citizen of Legoland said:
That shouldn’t mean parking dangerously though, that’s no excuse. There’s plenty of safer places to wait.

And you do realise Andy Burnham IS Labour and IS trying to sort out those things you mention? Reregulation of the buses is much, much better than the horrible mish-mash of companies we had before. Mainly taking these sort of decisions out of Central Government is best.
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Bring back MCTD
 
Centurions said:
I think I've managed to confuse myself over the new and old NS roofs (or we just don't know yet).

Are the cables coming from the top of the new steelwork supporting the new roof, as the beams don't look anywhere near deep enough to cantilever it? Are they also supporting the existing cable net system allowing the old roof to be taken apart? I know @Coatigan thinks (or thought) that the cable net will be truncated and connected to the ends of the new roof, although I'm still doubtful on that myself. If not the cables attached to the top of the new steelwork, has anyone come up with a viable idea of where the cables for the cable net are attached?
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It was all here.

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The cables will be transferred from the original supports and supported by the newly constructed towers. The original supports will then be removed allowing them to continue construction. They’ll later build the new triangle roof supports to support the new roof.
 
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Centurions said:
I think I've managed to confuse myself over the new and old NS roofs (or we just don't know yet).

Are the cables coming from the top of the new steelwork supporting the new roof, as the beams don't look anywhere near deep enough to cantilever it? Are they also supporting the existing cable net system allowing the old roof to be taken apart? I know @Coatigan thinks (or thought) that the cable net will be truncated and connected to the ends of the new roof, although I'm still doubtful on that myself. If not the cables attached to the top of the new steelwork, has anyone come up with a viable idea of where the cables for the cable net are attached?
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The existing cablenet will remain where it is, minus the roof (like the south stand), with the supporting front stays exiting the stand from two exits either side of the sky bar, the knuckle that currently connects to the supporting pillars, will be connected to the steel frame they are currently errecting, once load is transfered they can remove the pillars and the back stays that run to the ground and their foundations, the new roof built over the top and roof panels from old roof removed, leaving just the cable and the front stays.
 
HelloCity said:
It was all here.

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The cables will be transferred from the original supports and supported by the newly constructed towers. The original supports will then be removed allowing them to continue construction. They’ll later build the new triangle roof supports to support the new roof.
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Thank you, I'd forgotten all of that little lot with some of the derailing of the thread over the last week or so.

is that from the Design & Access Statement document 136763_FO_2023-DESIGN___ACCESS_STATEMENT-2230670.pdf at https://pa.manchester.gov.uk/online...s.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=RTAU4IBCJ1C00 ?

I've got to go out but I'll have to reacquaint myself later. It takes a few moments to download/load due to the size of some of those drawings for anyone else looking at it.
 
Citizen of Legoland said:
That shouldn’t mean parking dangerously though, that’s no excuse. There’s plenty of safer places to wait.

And you do realise Andy Burnham IS Labour and IS trying to sort out those things you mention? Reregulation of the buses is much, much better than the horrible mish-mash of companies we had before. Mainly taking these sort of decisions out of Central Government is best.
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It’s funny how Burnham gets slagged off constantly for things that are nothing to do with him and rarely gets praise for the things that are.

It must be infuriating.
 
Centurions said:
Thank you, I'd forgotten all of that little lot with some of the derailing of the thread over the last week or so.

is that from the Design & Access Statement document 136763_FO_2023-DESIGN___ACCESS_STATEMENT-2230670.pdf at https://pa.manchester.gov.uk/online...s.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=RTAU4IBCJ1C00 ?

I've got to go out but I'll have to reacquaint myself later. It takes a few moments to download/load due to the size of some of those drawings for anyone else looking at it.
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No that's from a subsequent CMP condition discharge app.

For clarity (for everyone rather than you) there will be two sets of structural cables, just to avoid confusion.

The lower ones, that will be  below the new roof is the current ring cable which now sits above the existing roof. That is what they are looking to transfer in the off season, so the roof can be removed, while maintaining tension all round. They are transferring it to the cantilevered cage braced diagonally, currently nearly built.

Once that is done, they can then remove the rear cables and pier, allowing them to build the rest of the structural steel tower, one more bay back, and bring the upper cantilevered part to ground.

Then they'll put the big quadpods on top of that, and that will support the  new cables, that will support the new roof beams, and will sit  above the new roof.
 
Coatigan said:
No that's from a subsequent CMP condition discharge app.

For clarity (for everyone rather than you) there will be two sets of structural cables, just to avoid confusion.

The lower ones, that will be  below the new roof is the current ring cable which now sits above the existing roof. That is what they are looking to transfer in the off season, so the roof can be removed, while maintaining tension all round. They are transferring it to the cantilevered cage braced diagonally, currently nearly built.

Once that is done, they can then remove the rear cables and pier, allowing them to build the rest of the structural steel tower, one more bay back, and bring the upper cantilevered part to ground.

Then they'll put the big quadpods on top of that, and that will support the  new cables, that will support the new roof beams, and will sit  above the new roof.
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Cheers, that was very useful.
 
Holcombe bloo said:
Yes of course and the bus reg is a good thing, but the parking restrictions are a very poor idea given almost no extra public transport as yet
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The extra parking restrictions are down to the arena and MCC.

The GMCA is not the highways authority.
 
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