North Stand expansion - seating, ticketing etc

[ysmsa]

Correction. Their parents pay an extra £75. 2 young fans, £150. Why are young fans being charged £75? What for? The privilege to get a Flexi-Gold season ticket so they can watch City?

There is absolutely no need to charge (parents) children a £75 upfront cost to buy a Flexi-Gold season ticket. I really don’t understand how people are easy with that concept, and make excuses for it.

Jesus, you don't know what you are on about.

£75 yes (paid over 10 months if you choose) for the chance to buy tickets at vastly reduced prices!

You do realise the junior FG tickets are very low prices I presume?

 

[jrb]

I reckon far more S/T holders pay over 10 instalments interest free so the money isn't banked at the start of the season.

For years S/T holders not turning up for the less attractive fixtures has been an issue. The Club are trying something else and they only released a small number FG's anyway and they sold out.

S/T will be available again at some point and people have to be patient

FG is brilliant for those who use it as it is intended (me) but I bet there are people who have bought one and only go to a few if any games and won't be able to renew it next year.

The choice of purchasing the same seat every game is highly attractive, far better than pissing about looking for seats on the planner and sitting god knows where.

S/T aren't cheap BTW, even missing a couple of games bumps up your actual individual match day price a fair bit.

I pay my season ticket money up front. It’s done.

You are right. The vast majority of City fans pay for their season ticket over 10 months interest free. The club should be applauded for bringing that in. That certainly helps to spread the cost of a season ticket.

Thete’s 1 difference between a no show season ticket holder, and a match day ticket that hasn’t sold. At least the no show season ticket holder has paid for their seat in advance. Both seats still remain empty, but at least 1 seat has been paid for in advance.

There’s no guarantee normal season tickets will be available again. We’ve discussed that in-depth. Lapsed season tickets are now being made match day ticket sales. And the confirmed rumour is, new season tickets will only be Flexi-Gold season tickets.

 

[jrb]

Jesus, you don't know what you are on about.

£75 yes (paid over 10 months if you choose) for the chance to buy tickets at vastly reduced prices!

You do realise the junior FG tickets are very low prices I presume?

It’s still an additional £75, paid over 10 months. Why is there a £75 charge? Just let parents buy children’s tickets without charging them £75 over 10 months or upfront. It’s not hard is it. Children’s match ticket goes on sale, parent buys children’s ticket. Done! Why does buying a children’s match ticket have to be made anymore complicated with a £75 charge, regardless if it’s paid upfront or over 10 months. I’m sure you’ll try and justify that as well by telling me you do know what you are on about.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

It’s still an additional £75, paid over 10 months. Why is there a £75 charge? Just let parents buy children’s tickets without charging £75 over 10 months or upfront. It’s not hard is it. Children’s match ticket goes on sale, parent buys children’s ticket. Done!

£55 after not paying for the junior match day membership. Then there’s the savings on being able to access more affordable tickets and watch the big matches too.

Whether we like junior flexi-golds or not, can we agree that this isn’t a terrible thing. I’m not interested in the politics, just the benefits vs costs.

 

[ysmsa]

It’s still an additional £75, paid over 10 months. Why is there a £75 charge? Just let parents buy children’s tickets without charging £75 over 10 months or upfront. It’s not hard is it. Children’s match ticket goes on sale, parent buys children’s ticket. Done!

I give up on this point, sorry.

I am saving money and know my lad is sat with me for every game I buy.

The charge is effectively a reservation fee.

It's a bloody good idea for under 18's

 

[jrb]

£55 after not paying for the junior match day membership. Then there’s the savings on being able to access more affordable tickets and watch the big matches too.

Whether we like junior flexi-golds or not, can we agree that this isn’t a terrible thing. I’m not interested in the politics, just the benefits vs costs.

Tim.

I’ve always said Flexi-Gold has it’s benefits. I’m honestly trying hard to see them. But my point is. And it won’t change. Apologies for going over it again and again. There is no need to charge an extra £75 for season ticket bells and whistles. Just charge one affordable price for a childs season ticket at the start of the season which can be paid upfront or spread over 10 months. That’s it. Nothing else. I’ll leave it at that otherwise I really will be going around in circles. I’m not having a go at you mate.

 

[ysmsa]

£55 after not paying for the junior match day membership. Then there’s the savings on being able to access more affordable tickets and watch the big matches too.

Whether we like junior flexi-golds or not, can we agree that this isn’t a terrible thing. I’m not interested in the politics, just the benefits vs costs.

Good point about the membership fee, I was forgetting that.

£55, bargain.

Wish I'd bought 2 and not even used the 2nd one :-)

 

[jrb]

I give up on this point, sorry.

I am saving money and know my lad is sat with me for every game I buy.

The charge is effectively a reservation fee.

It's a bloody good idea for under 18's

I’ve explained it to Tim, above.

It’s not hard to understand my thinking and point of view.

 

[Manchester33]

Jesus, you don't know what you are on about.

£75 yes (paid over 10 months if you choose) for the chance to buy tickets at vastly reduced prices!

You do realise the junior FG tickets are very low prices I presume?

If you attend all 19 premier league games your FG ticket prices = the cost of a seasoncard (whether you’re a child or adult - a child seasoncard is cheaper than adult obviously)

The difference is you’ve paid £75/£150 for that membership.

You are comparing Flexigold to a match day membership, not Seasoncard.

 

[Manchester33]

I give up on this point, sorry.

I am saving money and know my lad is sat with me for every game I buy.

The charge is effectively a reservation fee.

It's a bloody good idea for under 18's

You’d have saved more money if he had a seasoncard.

You’ve said it yourself, he’s attended every game but 1 so far this season.

1/19th of a child’s seasoncard is less than £75.

The club are ripping you off and you can’t see it. I have a seasoncard and would never switch to flexigold!

 

[Manchester33]

£55 after not paying for the junior match day membership. Then there’s the savings on being able to access more affordable tickets and watch the big matches too.

Whether we like junior flexi-golds or not, can we agree that this isn’t a terrible thing. I’m not interested in the politics, just the benefits vs costs.

I’m genuinely concerned that so many blues are accepting this money grab from the club.

The clubs policy of ONLY offering flexi-golds instead of season cards is absolutely terrible for us fans.

Flexi-gold is very clever from the club. Fans who have been used to paying extortionate match day ticket prices (which is another issue in itself) are tricked into thinking they’re getting a good deal. In a tiny minority of FG cases, there are fans who might save money (attend very few games). If those fans want to attend most or every game, then they are being ripped off by the club.

The passive acceptance of FG enables those at the club making these decisions to crack on. We need fans to stand together against the FG only policy.

Flexi-gold is NOT a seasoncard. We need new season cards, not money spinning membership types.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Soon, you will be buying a share of a “SEAT LICENSE” to watch X number of games per season, and “your” seat will be being shared throughout the season with 4 others.

The 19 PL games will be Grouped off, such that the A Tier License is £400 for 4 games, the B Tier License is £320 for 4, the C Tier License is £280 for 4 and the D Tier License is £240 for only 4 games and Tier E is £150 for 3 games.

An A Tier License holder gets first crack at the big cup & CL tickets, with 2 games being required for top Group Stage matches, then B Tier, etc… Tiers are determined by PL position of the visiting club in the prior PL Season. Tier E gets first crack at any Exchange tickets for their specific seat, then drops into a pool for other available seat.

If City finish in the 5th place, Tier A gets home tickets for the Top 4 playing at the Etihad. Tier B gets 6-9, C 10-13, D 14-17, E gets the newly promoted sides.

And, while we are at it, your Seat License Card comes preloaded with a £100 Concessions Credit, which is added to your seat license price. It can be used at the Stadium or in the City Store, but is a required part of the deal.

Corporations and ticketing agencies will snap these up for fun!

If you think things are bad now, you ain’t seen nuthin’ yet once the Yank owners get to work, and everyone will follow suit…just like they do at the meetings!!

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I’m genuinely concerned that so many blues are accepting this money grab from the club.

The clubs policy of ONLY offering flexi-golds instead of season cards is absolutely terrible for us fans.

Flexi-gold is very clever from the club. Fans who have been used to paying extortionate match day ticket prices (which is another issue in itself) are tricked into thinking they’re getting a good deal. In a tiny minority of FG cases, there are fans who might save money (attend very few games). If those fans want to attend most or every game, then they are being ripped off by the club.

The passive acceptance of FG enables those at the club making these decisions to crack on. We need fans to stand together against the FG only policy.

Flexi-gold is NOT a seasoncard. We need new season cards, not money spinning membership types.

I just don’t see it as the biggest of issues. One thing that seems to be happening is that the Cons of season card type offers are being conflated.

Fir example. For adult Blues who want to go to every home game, especially in areas designated for singing, flexi-golds aren't an adequate replacement for full season cards. Especially with the £150 fees.

For families who want to get their youngsters on the season card ladder and attend most games, without forcing kids to get soaked to the skin like on Wednesday night, flexi-golds seem like a really good option. For the Club and fans it also helps to address our ageing demographics.

If we have to agree to disagree then so be it. In addition, I don’t believe that Danny Wilson is a big enough **** that he wouldn’t make full season cards available in the future if the facts supported that eg flexi good Members were attending virtually every game.

 

[ysmsa]

I’ve explained it to Tim, above.

It’s not hard to understand my thinking and point of view.

OK, you're complaint is the fact S/T's aren't available.

It's a good point and I agree there should be some available every year.
The current freeze won't be forever, especially when match day tickets don't sell out due to cost.

And not everyone wants to move to the Family Stand if they take up a child's S/T.

But, the Club have geared the Family stand for families and kids so they won't it full of such.

I don't have the answers but this is nothing to do with the Flexi Gold which (the junior) is brilliant if used properly.

If the opportunity arises for anyone to get one then I recommend it is taken and used.

 

[ysmsa]

If you attend all 19 premier league games your FG ticket prices = the cost of a seasoncard (whether you’re a child or adult - a child seasoncard is cheaper than adult obviously)

The difference is you’ve paid £75/£150 for that membership.

You are comparing Flexigold to a match day membership, not Seasoncard.

True but not everyone wants a S/T for a junior.
Juniors miss a lot of games due to other commitments, midweek games especially.

F/G is a great option, don't forget I can secure the big games for my lad (Rags £15) which I wouldn't have got previously without spending a fortune.

Lack of S/T is a different issue to FG.

 

[blueparrot]

True but not everyone wants a S/T for a junior.
Juniors miss a lot of games due to other commitments, midweek games especially.

F/G is a great option, don't forget I can secure the big games for my lad (Rags £15) which I wouldn't have got previously without spending a fortune.

Lack of S/T is a different issue to FG.

Some are confused and think the FG is a season ticket ,it's not though some might use it as a season ticket in the absence of one. Should there be new season tickets too ,yes. That doesn't stop the FG being a good thing for many,and a money saving addition to getting to games.

 

[Big Joe Corrigan]

I’m genuinely concerned that so many blues are accepting this money grab from the club.

The clubs policy of ONLY offering flexi-golds instead of season cards is absolutely terrible for us fans.

Flexi-gold is very clever from the club. Fans who have been used to paying extortionate match day ticket prices (which is another issue in itself) are tricked into thinking they’re getting a good deal. In a tiny minority of FG cases, there are fans who might save money (attend very few games). If those fans want to attend most or every game, then they are being ripped off by the club.

The passive acceptance of FG enables those at the club making these decisions to crack on. We need fans to stand together against the FG only policy.

Flexi-gold is NOT a seasoncard. We need new season cards, not money spinning membership types.

As a Blue who attends every home game, but didn’t have a ST, the reason I bought a flexi-gold ST is because it was the only way I could get tickets for the bigger games. I go to every home game in whatever competition, but couldn’t get a cup final ticket last season, or a derby ticket, or a Real Madrid ticket a few seasons ago. Flexi-gold isn’t perfect, the £150 up front is just wrong, but it has allowed me to join all the cup schemes, and to guarantee my seat for every home game. Naively I though after this season it might be upgraded to a real ST, but unfortunately I can’t see that happening, but at least I can get to see all the games now.

 

[Manchester33]

As a Blue who attends every home game, but didn’t have a ST, the reason I bought a flexi-gold ST is because it was the only way I could get tickets for the bigger games. I go to every home game in whatever competition, but couldn’t get a cup final ticket last season, or a derby ticket, or a Real Madrid ticket a few seasons ago. Flexi-gold isn’t perfect, the £150 up front is just wrong, but it has allowed me to join all the cup schemes, and to guarantee my seat for every home game. Naively I though after this season it might be upgraded to a real ST, but unfortunately I can’t see that happening, but at least I can get to see all the games now.

It's great that you've now got the opportunity to go to every game and join cup schemes. There are loads of fans who want the same.

It's really unfair that you have to pay £150 more than me (and fanny about 'buying' tickets 3 weeks out) though. It's wrong. We are both getting the same 'product' but paying different prices. The club are exploiting your loyalty!

 

[Manchester33]

True but not everyone wants a S/T for a junior.
Juniors miss a lot of games due to other commitments, midweek games especially.

F/G is a great option, don't forget I can secure the big games for my lad (Rags £15) which I wouldn't have got previously without spending a fortune.

Lack of S/T is a different issue to FG.

One of my gripes about City is that they're constantly monetising everything. They are desperate to get every penny out of us legacy fans (or replace us with tourists/day trippers who'll spend a lot more per match).

Why can't they come up with a fairer system like:

- offer seasoncards (to adults and children at respective, fair prices).
- on all seasoncards, if the ticket is listed on the exchange 3 weeks in advance the fan gets a guaranteed refund of 1/19th the cost of their ticket.
- allow all SC holders to list their ticket on the exchange at any point.
- allow all SC holders to transfer their tickets at any point.

I don't think that's a huge ask. That would entirely remove the fan's need for flexigold. you'd have all the flexibility FG offers and none of the money spinning crap that comes with it.

The club are due to release their accounts in the coming days. They will publish RECORD PROFITS again. There is absolutely no need to offer flexigold when sensible, simple alternatives like I've described above do the job fine. The goodwill it brings from fans is far better than the £150 from each FG sold!

 

[ysmsa]

Soon, you will be buying a share of a “SEAT LICENSE” to watch X number of games per season, and “your” seat will be being shared throughout the season with 4 others.

The 19 PL games will be Grouped off, such that the A Tier License is £400 for 4 games, the B Tier License is £320 for 4, the C Tier License is £280 for 4 and the D Tier License is £240 for only 4 games and Tier E is £150 for 3 games.

An A Tier License holder gets first crack at the big cup & CL tickets, with 2 games being required for top Group Stage matches, then B Tier, etc… Tiers are determined by PL position of the visiting club in the prior PL Season. Tier E gets first crack at any Exchange tickets for their specific seat, then drops into a pool for other available seat.

If City finish in the 5th place, Tier A gets home tickets for the Top 4 playing at the Etihad. Tier B gets 6-9, C 10-13, D 14-17, E gets the newly promoted sides.

And, while we are at it, your Seat License Card comes preloaded with a £100 Concessions Credit, which is added to your seat license price. It can be used at the Stadium or in the City Store, but is a required part of the deal.

Corporations and ticketing agencies will snap these up for fun!

If you think things are bad now, you ain’t seen nuthin’ yet once the Yank owners get to work, and everyone will follow suit…just like they do at the meetings!!

Joking apart, your first paragraph is what happens with Rags and Dippers already!

Saddo's who Latch onto a glamour Clubs they have no affiliation to at all. Tickets shared so they are generally used.

"Big Reds" proper footy fans is how they see themselves.

A bunch of glory hunting wankers in reality who should be watching their local Club!