Offical Election thread

[bluemoonmatt]

Were Labour not planning on cuts then?

I don't think anyone's naive enough to believe that cuts wont be made, however Cameron seems to think he can reduce our deficit quicker than the others and by not introducing any extra taxes (this Jobs tax he's mithered on aboutfor example). So I think unless him and his rich cohorts like Lord whatsisface plan to pay off the deficit with their ow bulging bank balances, its fair to say savage cuts are his only option. Thing is, he never actually told anyone how he plans to do it yet some people have been seduced by his bullshit patter. Even the Fiscal studies authority (or whatever they are called) said he's got his sums wrong, they said the only one's who had got em right were the LibDems

 

[Anonymous]

Were Labour not planning on cuts then?

I don't think anyone's naive enough to believe that cuts wont be made, however Cameron seems to think he can reduce our deficit quicker than the others and by not introducing any extra taxes (this Jobs tax he's mithered on aboutfor example). So I think unless him and his rich cohorts like Lord whatsisface plan to pay off the deficit with their ow bulging bank balances, its fair to say savage cuts are his only option. Thing is, he never actually told anyone how he plans to do it yet some people have been seduced by his bullshit patter. Even the Fiscal studies authority (or whatever they are called) said he's got his sums wrong, they said the only one's who had got em right were the LibDems

Labour was the party that said the cuts would need to be deeper than they were even under Thatcher.

The main difference between the Cons & labour is that the Conservatives want to start dealing with the deficit NOW, not in 6 or 12 months time. If we wait to deal with it, the hurt will only get worse.

 

[Jnr Kisby]

This shite is an utter farce.

Cons win the vote so that means they win the election.

What the fuck is this hung parliament about, fucking joke.

under the current system 326 seats are required to win the election and therefore nobody has won.

Its wrong, its broken and thats exactly why we need reform. <a class="postlink" href="http://bit.ly/Takeitback" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://bit.ly/Takeitback</a>

 

[bluemoonmatt]

Re: Offical Election Night thread

I work with five people who have openly stated they would have voted BNP "but they don't stand a chance". So it would be interesting, perhaps worrying to see just how many votes or rather what share they would achieve if PR was the system used as the issue of "standing a chance" would no longer be relevant. I would hazard a guess we would be talking about at least 5 BNP MP's

Do you work with them, or are you their carer?

Haha I seriously could not bring myself to do that

This whole hung parliament thing is going to be a complete fucking nightmare, no-one can claim to be the public's "chosen" party and therefore leader. The Tories got more seats, and more votes, than anyone else but not enough to actually get any bills/policies through without assistance from others. The Lib Dems proved what everyone has always known, without Proportional Representation they are essentially an irrelevance in the long term. Labour have been, essentially, stripped of power regardless of any behind closed doors deals they may now try. How Gordon Brown can still attempt to cling to power is beyond me, Cameron may well not have done enough to claim victory, but Brown has certainly done more than enough to make his position as Prime Minister untenable.

I'm not sure really, short term you're of course right, not much will be getting through parliament, but I think this election could be a game breaker. I see another election in 1 to 2 years and if that results in a hung parliament too I can see no option that to look at electoral reform be that PR or whatever.

 

[Skashion]

I think the Labour Party have more 'friends' than the tories. Labour + Social Democratic & Labour Party + Lib Dems + SNP + Plaid Cymru should see them form the most fragile minority government in British political history.

Even that combination might not give them an overall majority.; And as for the idea that the SNP & Plaid can suddenly influence policy that has fcuk all to do with them, well that really sticks in my throat.

Can't see it not being enough. That would get them to 322 as it stands and 324 (remembering that Sinn Fein don't take their seats) is what they need and there are eleven seats still to declare so Labour or the Lib Dems would need two from that which is quite likely in my opinion. They could probably get the green on board too if necessary.

I think the English public is well within their rights to demand an English Parliament with devolved powers but that's not the direct issue here with the UK Parliament. Who forms the government of the United Kingdom are the parties who can form a coalition large enough to pass legislation. If it's the tories and the DUP and whoever else they can find, fair enough. If it's that crazy combo above, same.

 

[Anonymous]

My local result...

<a class="postlink" href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/constituency/e61.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election ... cy/e61.stm</a>

 

[Challenger1978]

Were Labour not planning on cuts then?

I don't think anyone's naive enough to believe that cuts wont be made, however Cameron seems to think he can reduce our deficit quicker than the others and by not introducing any extra taxes (this Jobs tax he's mithered on aboutfor example). So I think unless him and his rich cohorts like Lord whatsisface plan to pay off the deficit with their ow bulging bank balances, its fair to say savage cuts are his only option. Thing is, he never actually told anyone how he plans to do it yet some people have been seduced by his bullshit patter. Even the Fiscal studies authority (or whatever they are called) said he's got his sums wrong, they said the only one's who had got em right were the LibDems

Did they ? i thought the instatute of fiscal stuides bollocked all 3 of the main parties for not being truthull about how big the cuts/tax rises are going to be.

<a class="postlink" href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8647860.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/ ... 647860.stm</a>

 

[bluemoonmatt]

Re: Offical Election Night thread

The fact that the European elections don't have one doesn't mean anything because they are not held in anything like the same regard by politicians or the public. I can't see Britain, a fairly conservative country in terms of its electoral system, not having a threshold. Like I said before, I'm easy either way. I just want electoral reform with the aim of being more proportional, threshold or no.

Oh I agree mate, a party that gets 20 odd percent of the vote should not have only 56 MP's, their share would equate to 130 MP's but on the same level, its only fair and democratic that the BNP who have 2% of the vote would be returning 13. The Euro elections clearly are a lesser event but the semantics of the system used for that and for the Generals would be very similar. It needs looking at, that I definitely agree with<br /><br />-- Fri May 07, 2010 1:32 pm --<br /><br />

My local result...

<a class="postlink" href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/constituency/e61.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election ... cy/e61.stm</a>

An appropriate surname for a Tory MP ;)

 

[Halfpenny]

This is my constituency's result:
<a class="postlink" href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/election2010/results/constituency/e42.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/electi ... cy/e42.stm</a>
The tory swing of 8.5% and a majority cut from 8500 to 2700 is very worrying. I voted Lib but if there is another election called (which I wouldn't rule out, I can't see Clegg and Cameron coming to an agreement) I think I'll vote tactically for Lab.

 

[bluemoonmatt]

This is my constituency's result:
<a class="postlink" href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/election2010/results/constituency/e42.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/electi ... cy/e42.stm</a>
The tory swing of 8.5% and a majority cut from 8500 to 2700 is very worrying. I voted Lib but if there is another election called (which I wouldn't rule out, I can't see Clegg and Cameron coming to an agreement) I think I'll vote tactically for Lab.

Good Lad, don't listen to that Cheesy fella ;)