Offside judgement (Laporte v Wolves)

[SWP's back]

Yes, so the fact the linesman flagged it off is then completely irrelevant!

Other than the fact that people are blaming var for the goal being disallowed (as part of their “I hate var, let’s bin it” argument). But without var, we score 3 goals last night and have two ruled out. One incorrectly.

As it was, var did its job and got decision correct per letter of the law.

 

[Gray]

That made me laugh pal, bet you've had a right bee in your bonnet about that.

Bernie should stop interfering with play.

 

[mosssideblue]

Surely the technology exists to show down the line rather than across it

 

[Coatigan]

Other than the fact that people are blaming var for the goal being disallowed (as part of their “I hate var, let’s bin it” argument). But without var, we score 3 goals last night and have two ruled out. One incorrectly.

As it was, var did its job and got decision correct per letter of the law.

I see. Fair enough, thanks for the context.

I disagree in the sense that i think Both goals were incorrectly ruled out, but i agree with your point/logic re VAR's effect.

And my opinion on it is based purely on how the lines are drawn and timed. Not on misinterpreting the rules, the spirit of the rules or the human anatomy, just for clarity.

 

[SWP's back]

I see. Fair enough, thanks for the context.

I disagree in the sense that i think Both goals were incorrectly ruled out, but i agree with your point/logic re VAR's effect.

And my opinion on it is based purely on how the lines are drawn and timed. Not on misinterpreting the rules, the spirit of the rules or the human anatomy, just for clarity.

I think var has taken itself down a one way street and is completely wrong (though being implemented as per the law right now) on the spirit of the original offside law.

Advantage should go with attacker and there should be far greater margin for on side.

 

[Berts Neck]

The angles are fine as each stadium and pitch is full calibrated. The system puts it into 3D space, you’re confusing a 2D view of that:

How offsides are determined by VAR

See how the Video Assistant Referee uses Hawk-Eye to make offside decisions

www.premierleague.com

Thanks for that..have read the link. Useful. I still do not see how a view from above that is not perfectly in line with the players can be deemed accurate.I now understand about the lines and their thickness !! I do appeciate that it is difficult, and there may be technical issues,but the fact that this forum is full of people who do not believe the accuracy speaks volumes. It seems there are so many contentious issues after nearly every match which looks bad for the sport,not just the technicality , but also the interpretation. Is it possible to have sensors in boots and shirts ? Regards.

 

[lust overlord]

Maybe one day,when they have a proper ai doing the "lines"with a margin for error built in,the controversy will die down.

Until then we're going to keep doing this same dance.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

The problem with the shirt line is that it's another example, along with handball, of a rule being changed to accomodate VAR. The rule/guidance was changed not because it's good for the game, but because it makes it easier for VAR officials to make another one of their microscopic decisions. And as soon as VAR is changing rules, then it's not doing what it was brought into the game to do.

 

[Coatigan]

I think var has taken itself down a one way street and is completely wrong (though being implemented as per the law right now) on the spirit of the original offside law.

Advantage should go with attacker and there should be far greater margin for on side.

Agree entirely, although that is part of a broader arguement.

My take on the decision i guess is purely a graphical point, for lack of a better word.

I can see how they've made the graphics fit the letter of the law and thus offside. But that is my point, they've drawn it wrong and at the wrong point (in both time and 2d). Whether that is through lack of finer margin techology, basic inability, malintent, or just differen drawing technique/eye for is irrelevant and not something i'm talking about at all.

 

[Eds]

Easy solution to solve this is to base offside on where the feet are not an arm or an arse leaning forward. If you feet are onside then you are onside. The next problem to solve though would be at what point to freeze the action as it's quite obvious this is being manipulated to reach a required outcome. The technology isn't good enough to pinpoint the moment of impact. Roll the play back one frame last night and I am sure Eric was onside. He was onside anyway but one frame back would have been conclusive. Given that the likes of Dean, Mason etc can't get a decision right on the pitch what chance as VAR