Operation: DESTABILIZE

[Maintainin]

....okay okay a fully fit 24 goin on 25 year old Roonsta would light up any team in prem truth be told buh' has anyone stopped to think wot it would take to man-manage the kid ? ! ? in my personal opinion Arsene Wenger is probz the only other gaffa that could succesfully man-manage the kid if they could somehow broker a deal.

Twitcher arry is another that could easily handle him tho fundin would be their biggest hurdle.

It'l be chelsea or arsenal.

With Coleen n' certain domestic commitments i think its a no-no even entertainin an over-seas move.

Furthermore i've no time for tha lil scallywag but do feel he aint as thick as many would like to believe n' thus will end up havin quite a financial say in his beloved Evton football club's future 'one day' !!!

He's easy to man-manage.

He wants to get out on the pitch and win.

Point him in the right direction and that's it.

You probz right dave, i juss feel concerned that if he came ours how it 'might' unsettle wot we've got already in view of those set to return from injury etc

Had we'd already been compeetin in the CL rite now i'd have no worries.

 

[Balti]

Agree it is a no risk signing. But I'm not sure it is the right no risk signing. But since it is no risk who cares. That being said -

1 - No matter what the damage is done to United. He's leaving. And it is obvious he's leaving because of the debts on that club. One thing that was so telling in Fergiscum's pc was that he made it clear they'd never discussed salary with Rooney on a new contract. So Rooney going to them in August and telling them he wanted out was not all about money. It was about his personal ambition to win. He thinks Utd is in decline. And a look at their recent signings shows why. We sign Silva. They sign a homeless guy. Barcelona sign Villa. They sign Smalling. Madrid sign Ozil. They sign Hernandez.

2 - Guy is a great player. But City has a better version of him in Tevez already. No one complains about depth. But I'm just noting that it isn't as if he fills some massive hole in our team.

3 - What I think City needs more than anything is a classic one touch goal poacher. We have Milner whipping in cross after cross. He's put more balls in the box than any other league player. We have yet to score a headed goal all season. If the idea is to build the most complete team, then Rooney doesn't address that type of need. You could argue Luis Suarez or Fernando Torres would address that hole in our team. Rooney, not really. He's a withdrawn striker who is fantastic but needs more shots than a true goal poacher should to score.

4 - Obviously the management wants that top 5 marketing type of player. Rooney fits that bill. And the fact he's English lowers the risk of signing him massively. The fact he's English also cements City as the place for English talent to play - AJ, Rooney, Barry, Hart, Milner, Richards, etc. Amazing really.

Great post. I only disagree with point 4. Yes he is a top 5 marketing type of player but so much of the hype surrounding him is now negative. I want City youngsters to have a shining Messi or a Kaka type figure to idolise and not a granny prozzie shagging thick as pig-shit chav. Someone our club can be proud to be associated with. Someone without so much baggage. Rooney does not fit that bill. Yes English would be good but we have Hart, Johnno and others that tick that box.

 

[franksven]

Cant see Rags letting Rooney go to City after Tevez - Real is his most likely destination - if he comes so be it but lets just not get too far ahead of ourselves

It is interesting that all the clubs apart from City have commented that they would like to sign him

Thats what i find very interesting, it's as if all those teams have been shocked in the announcement of Rooney wanting to leave and so they have acted accordingly. Then we have City who kept their own council and are probably sat there so cock sure of whats unfolding in front of them.

It does make the mind wonder.

 

[m27]

He HAS to go in January because if not he can buy out his contract for peanuts and sell himself to whoever he wants in the summer. This would mean Ushited would only get a few million for him and not the £35-50 million they'd be hoping for in Jan. I hope he stays 'till summer and buys his contract out. Imagine the Scum fans crying into their beers when they find out they only got £5-6 million for him! But this probably won't happen.

I've read that clubs have an unwritten rule not to ask players to invoke the 'Webster Ruling". So I think that is one scenario which is unlikely.

 

[Lucky Toma]

I know, I know, another thread about him but hear me out because a lot of decent posts from people are getting buried in a sea of shite, so please give me a minute.

Why don't some of you just lighten up and enjoy the ride at the moment?

If we get him, there is more chance of him helping us win the league than fucking it up (comparisons with Marsh are laughable, Rooney is not , and never has been a 'luxury' player), and if we do get him we are taking one of our rivals for the League's best player and throwing them into even more turmoil. It doesn't matter that it's United, we are weakening a rival significantly and possibly directly influencing the loss of their best manager in history. That's all you need to think of.

There's still this train of thought amongst the old guard in football that "There's only one way after leaving Man United and that's down"; well this is a move that can truly debunk that myth.

As Tolmie rightly posted the other day, "We're trying to win the Champions League, not just qualify for it!". Well I'd like to add to that, the aim is to surpass United's European Cup haul in the next 20 years and if Rooney is part of that then he will no longer be synonymous with United, he will be synonymous with us forever.

If someone says it just doesn't "feel" right then I can't argue with that as it's a personal preference. What I don't understand is the notion that this signing will be a huge risk. I just don't see that at all. Robinho was a huge risk, a player with Rooney's proven track record in the Premiership will not be. He is 24 and out of form, but we now know he simply doesn't want to play for United anymore and never has done this season. Hardly a coincidence and this transfer talk behind the scenes may well have affected his World Cup form as well. He could hit the ground running for us after the weight off his shoulders has been lifted.

Finally, in regard to the 'wind-up' opportunities...I don't see the problem at all. Those lot have won without dignity and class for the 34 years I have been on God's earth and if we aren't allowed to gloat about their 'bad fortune' at the moment then I don't know what the world's coming to. I was watching the telly this morning and saw the local radio presenter from 'Red Wednesday' being interviewed. When Chris Hollins asked him, "Would he go to City?" his depsair was clear for all to see and after a pause he said, "I really hope not" but then he composed himself and went into the generic "Well he's played for Manchester United so there's only two clubs on the planet he can go to and that's Barcelona and Real Madrid." It's at times like that I go from being relaxed about the whole situation to thinking, "You know what. Fucking come on in Wayne. Be a part of our first Premiership winning team and the start of an Empire at City. Let's show these fuckers we mean business."

Sorry about that, I feel better now though.

Great post M27.

 

[DenisLawBackHeel74]

not too much pressure!! lets try and win 'something' first before all this talk of winning the CL and eclipsing 'their' record.

I agree with you about their fans, its because arrogance is the default position. I had a chat with a rag at work yesterday, I was laughing at the position their club was in and his retort was 'all those empty seats at your games'....this from an armchair fan who hasn't been to a nited game in 5 years!!! YCNMIU.

They say pride comes before a fall....the best city fans can do is be gracious and take the high moral ground....winds them up to fuck.

I've had them frothing at the mouth because I've not been getting too giddy about the prospect of us signing him.

"If he comes he comes, I won't lose any sleep if he doesn't" Remember, this is the player that carried them last season and Likkle Ciddy aren't even arsed about him.

It's drving them to distracion.

Exactly....I make out they are not even on my radar or the radar of most city fans...'we don't have the slightest interest in your club' is my stock in trade answer to most of their questions...<br /><br />-- Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:39 am --<br /><br />

Cant see Rags letting Rooney go to City after Tevez - Real is his most likely destination - if he comes so be it but lets just not get too far ahead of ourselves

It is interesting that all the clubs apart from City have commented that they would like to sign him

What interests me is that Rooney now HAS to go in January, I firmly believe Ferguson went public yesterday to ensure the fans give him dog's abuse and force him out because he couldn't risk his value depreceating any further.

As I see it, we are in pole postiion for a January signing of that scale. Furthermore, if he doesn't go in January, he will then go for a pittance in the summer to any club with so little on his contract.

There's Win/Wins all over this one no matter where you look. Talk of 50-70m is laughable in January. We will pay the most money but even then I can't see much more than 35m. If he goes in the summer you could see him go for 15m.

My sides can't stand much more of this.

You are spot on again....I think most of us know this and are not bothered whether we get him or not, its just entertaining watching them self destruct......'typical city' is soon to become the catchphrase 'typical nited'

 

[gio's side step]

This is a natural progression from where we have come from and where we currently are. I would suggest the top players we have signed to date, are all tier 2 players.

Robinho was a tier 2 close to tier 1 player when we signed him.
Yaya is a tier 2 player.
Tevez when we signed him was a tier 2 player.
Silva 2 close to 1
Balo tier 2.
Barry tier 3-2
Millner 3-2

The tier 1 players are

Messi, Ronaldo, Casillas, Xavi, Rooney (it could be argued Tevez is now close to this group). But Rooney is a tier 1 player, and is a better player than Tevez. Not on current form, but in terms of natural ability, he is a better player than Tevez. Tevez is exceptional, has a great work ethic, his goal ratio for City has been sensational, but Rooney on form, is just slightly better. Better all round. Tevez is City's superstar. But Rooney is the superstar at a club which has won far more trophies than us in the last 20 years and whose European pedigree is far superior. Add to that, he is Englands superstar.

So us being potentially interested in him, and him potentially coming to City, is for me, our first real tier 1 signing. This would be the signing which I feel, would really set the context for us to go and get other tier 1 players in the future (should we be able to with the new rules etc)

 

[bluemoondays]

I'm going to be REALLY interested in seeing what he comes out with as the reason for leaving the scum. I think there's a few with my guesses below, mostly probably salary based, some of which he would be really dumb to come out with......

1. He's tired of carrying them and having to play when unfit because they couldn't really replace him. I'm sure there was a few times last season he was playing when patently not ready for a full 90 minutes of 1st team action. Was he ever playing with injections to keep him going? That sort of thing could cripple a player if that was the case and would be a great excuse if true.....
2. Salary, even though Fergiescum has said they've offered him a "salary that other teams would find hard to beat" doesn't mean he can't get better - especially as he could be bought relatively cheaply so his salary could be loaded with some of the savings from not having to pay full price for him. We all know Fergiescum lies any time he feels like it, maybe their original offer was crap and just pissed him off.
If he felt that he should be one of the top earners in PL football (not unreasonable after scoring 28 goals in a season and, like it or not, he is a class player when on form) all he has to do is compare the scums offer to what Wio, Lampard, JT, Yaya, Ade/Tevez are on - I'm sure he has a good idea of their salary.
3. Salary again but more on the timing of offers, they let his contract get dangerously close to where he was able to do just what he has done. Maybe he felt after a top season they should have been falling over themselves to give him a new offer.
4. His best excuse (imho) would be lack of quality of new signings to the squad and, tellingly, may be the real reason. Having seen Ronaldo sold for £80m, Tevez left on a free and what replacements the scum have provided. Buying a winger from Wigan, an unproven CB who was playing non-league half a season ago, an out of contract ex-Newcastle striker who is injured 50% of the time and a "little pea" is hardly going to inspire confidence in the next few seasons.
5. Similar to 4. - lack of preparation for the departure of the "old guard". There is a strong possibility at the end of this season that VDS, Giggs, Scholes & Ratface will leave, Wio is also suspect with his injury problems and maybe only has a season or two left. I don't see any of their youngsters which they rave about being of the quality to replace these at their prime and just slot into the team (and even ratface was a decent RB even if I hate his guts).
6. Tired of England & media and his own stupid fault for getting mixed up with hookers with his wife pregnant, that is about as low as you can get - maybe a factor if he ends up abroad.
7. Maybe he just wants another challenge, lets face it, he's won everything in UK football so maybe fancies a stint in Italy or Spain - maybe a factor if he ends up abroad.

Ultimately if he stays in UK imo I think it is down to a) salary and b) perception that the scum are not going to invest to keep the team automatic challengers for every trophy in sight.

 

[m27]

This is a natural progression from where we have come from and where we currently are. I would suggest the top players we have signed to date, are all tier 2 players.

Robinho was a tier 2 close to tier 1 player when we signed him.
Yaya is a tier 2 player.
Tevez when we signed him was a tier 2 player.
Silva 2 close to 1
Balo tier 2.
Barry tier 3-2
Millner 3-2

The tier 1 players are

Messi, Ronaldo, Casillas, Xavi, Rooney (it could be argued Tevez is now close to this group). But Rooney is a tier 1 player, and is a better player than Tevez. Not on current form, but in terms of natural ability, he is a better player than Tevez. Tevez is exceptional, has a great work ethic, his goal ratio for City has been sensational, but Rooney on form, is just slightly better. Better all round. Tevez is City's superstar. But Rooney is the superstar at a club which has won far more trophies than us in the last 20 years and whose European pedigree is far superior. Add to that, he is Englands superstar.

So us being potentially interested in him, and him potentially coming to City, is for me, our first real tier 1 signing. This would be the signing which I feel, would really set the context for us to go and get other tier 1 players in the future (should we be able to with the new rules etc)

I agree with all of that.

I love Tevez to bits, and even if Rooney signs, he will not lose that popularity, BUT...from a global perspective Rooney is more of the complete package in terms of marketing potential and on-field ability.

Tevez is unlucky that he has Messi in his international side. Rooney is the most talented English player so is more of a global brand. It's just the way it is.

Every signing we have made has got people sitting up a little bit more and more....if this one comes off we will be elevated to a different level altogether.

 

[DenisLawBackHeel74]

This is a natural progression from where we have come from and where we currently are. I would suggest the top players we have signed to date, are all tier 2 players.

Robinho was a tier 2 close to tier 1 player when we signed him.
Yaya is a tier 2 player.
Tevez when we signed him was a tier 2 player.
Silva 2 close to 1
Balo tier 2.
Barry tier 3-2
Millner 3-2

The tier 1 players are

Messi, Ronaldo, Casillas, Xavi, Rooney (it could be argued Tevez is now close to this group). But Rooney is a tier 1 player, and is a better player than Tevez. Not on current form, but in terms of natural ability, he is a better player than Tevez. Tevez is exceptional, has a great work ethic, his goal ratio for City has been sensational, but Rooney on form, is just slightly better. Better all round. Tevez is City's superstar. But Rooney is the superstar at a club which has won far more trophies than us in the last 20 years and whose European pedigree is far superior. Add to that, he is Englands superstar.

So us being potentially interested in him, and him potentially coming to City, is for me, our first real tier 1 signing. This would be the signing which I feel, would really set the context for us to go and get other tier 1 players in the future (should we be able to with the new rules etc)

Not sure I understand your rationale for tier qualification, classiying something as subjective as player ability is always divisive, but I would say in simpler terms that he would be our most high profile signing if he came. You are clearly an admirer of the player, I unfortunately am not and don't think he is in the same class as Messi but on his day I agree he is a 'little' better than Tevez (on his day), but not by much.