operation one end/ give us our kippax back.

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we had a meeting last night, the usual people were there inc dave and steve from kotk, danny wilson, vicky and co from the club.

it was to update us as to where the enquiry was up to have taken on board all our points of view from the last meeting,the results of the "bluemoon" poll were discussed too.

the upshot is that there is no logical way the away fans can be moved at this time, the disruption to the ground does not make the upheaval worth the while.quite rightly the thoughts and wishes of the season ticket holders have to be paramount including the safety of the exiting etc. i think the club should be respected for looking at this with so much work and detail, a lot of time and effort has been spent looking at every single angle to get something done about moving the away fans. i feel we missed a trick on day one, if the majority of fans would have known we were giving up the best seats in the house that was the time to change it, too late now.
The club have put the away fans issue at the very top of the agenda to be discussed should the ground be extended in any way, whereas there are no designs/ plans yet drawn if and when we do develop the stadium you can be rest assured our owners will get it just right. we need safety, banter and exiting all spot on to make eastlands a fortress but a friendly one.
 
Good, it was a daft idea. We only have a small number of singers, better to pack them in a small area rather than disperse them all over the south stand.
 
de niro said:
we had a meeting last night, the usual people were there inc dave and steve from kotk, danny wilson, vicky and co from the club.

it was to update us as to where the enquiry was up to have taken on board all our points of view from the last meeting,the results of the "bluemoon" poll were discussed too.

the upshot is that there is no logical way the away fans can be moved at this time, the disruption to the ground does not make the upheaval worth the while.quite rightly the thoughts and wishes of the season ticket holders have to be paramount including the safety of the exiting etc. i think the club should be respected for looking at this with so much work and detail, a lot of time and effort has been spent looking at every single angle to get something done about moving the away fans. i feel we missed a trick on day one, if the majority of fans would have known we were giving up the best seats in the house that was the time to change it, too late now.
The club have put the away fans issue at the very top of the agenda to be discussed should the ground be extended in any way, whereas there are no designs/ plans yet drawn if and when we do develop the stadium you can be rest assured our owners will get it just right. we need safety, banter and exiting all spot on to make eastlands a fortress but a friendly one.
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Whats stopping everyone from sitting in the opposite end and having that as our "Kippax"
 
dandeman2008 said:
de niro said:
we had a meeting last night, the usual people were there inc dave and steve from kotk, danny wilson, vicky and co from the club.

it was to update us as to where the enquiry was up to have taken on board all our points of view from the last meeting,the results of the "bluemoon" poll were discussed too.

the upshot is that there is no logical way the away fans can be moved at this time, the disruption to the ground does not make the upheaval worth the while.quite rightly the thoughts and wishes of the season ticket holders have to be paramount including the safety of the exiting etc. i think the club should be respected for looking at this with so much work and detail, a lot of time and effort has been spent looking at every single angle to get something done about moving the away fans. i feel we missed a trick on day one, if the majority of fans would have known we were giving up the best seats in the house that was the time to change it, too late now.
The club have put the away fans issue at the very top of the agenda to be discussed should the ground be extended in any way, whereas there are no designs/ plans yet drawn if and when we do develop the stadium you can be rest assured our owners will get it just right. we need safety, banter and exiting all spot on to make eastlands a fortress but a friendly one.
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Whats stopping everyone from sitting in the opposite end and having that as our "Kippax"
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where would those fans go to? they might like sitting where they are now.
dont forget we dont have to make room for 3000 away fans, during cup games its a 6000 allocation, that means moving an awful lot of our fans.
 
dandeman2008 said:
Whats stopping everyone from sitting in the opposite end and having that as our "Kippax"
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That's what I have been saying for ages. Bin the idea of the North Stand as a family area and get some singers in there. There are plenty of grounds in the country where away fans get to sit behind the goal and it doesn't seem a problem for these clubs. They get stick but think of the Kop at Liverpool. Opposite the away fans.

The areas around the away fans will always have good banter and singing etc, it's the other end of the ground where it is dead that needs working on. The problem is that people in the South Stand and 110/111 like where they are and being close to the away fans. They look at the North Stand and think why should we move over there? I can't see anything changing in terms of people moving acting as a catalyst for more noise.

The best way to get 'operation one end' going is to try and make the North Stand nosier. If that happens then people may start moving there from 111 and the SS. The Blue Alliance have the right idea and if they can get the North Stand going a bit then people like myself, who have a City Card will be more likely to try and get a seat there. As it is I always try and get a seat in 110/111 because that is where the best atmosphere is in my opinion. People have knocked the TBA lads on here but they are trying to start something big and should be applauded for their efforts.
 
de niro said:
we had a meeting last night, the usual people were there inc dave and steve from kotk, danny wilson, vicky and co from the club.

it was to update us as to where the enquiry was up to have taken on board all our points of view from the last meeting,the results of the "bluemoon" poll were discussed too.

the upshot is that there is no logical way the away fans can be moved at this time, the disruption to the ground does not make the upheaval worth the while.quite rightly the thoughts and wishes of the season ticket holders have to be paramount including the safety of the exiting etc. i think the club should be respected for looking at this with so much work and detail, a lot of time and effort has been spent looking at every single angle to get something done about moving the away fans. i feel we missed a trick on day one, if the majority of fans would have known we were giving up the best seats in the house that was the time to change it, too late now.
The club have put the away fans issue at the very top of the agenda to be discussed should the ground be extended in any way, whereas there are no designs/ plans yet drawn if and when we do develop the stadium you can be rest assured our owners will get it just right. we need safety, banter and exiting all spot on to make eastlands a fortress but a friendly one.
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What else was discussed Bill ?
 
DTKOAG said:
de niro said:
we had a meeting last night, the usual people were there inc dave and steve from kotk, danny wilson, vicky and co from the club.

it was to update us as to where the enquiry was up to have taken on board all our points of view from the last meeting,the results of the "bluemoon" poll were discussed too.

the upshot is that there is no logical way the away fans can be moved at this time, the disruption to the ground does not make the upheaval worth the while.quite rightly the thoughts and wishes of the season ticket holders have to be paramount including the safety of the exiting etc. i think the club should be respected for looking at this with so much work and detail, a lot of time and effort has been spent looking at every single angle to get something done about moving the away fans. i feel we missed a trick on day one, if the majority of fans would have known we were giving up the best seats in the house that was the time to change it, too late now.
The club have put the away fans issue at the very top of the agenda to be discussed should the ground be extended in any way, whereas there are no designs/ plans yet drawn if and when we do develop the stadium you can be rest assured our owners will get it just right. we need safety, banter and exiting all spot on to make eastlands a fortress but a friendly one.
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What else was discussed Bill ?
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in that meeting only the stadium plans, i went on from there to the points of blue meeting in the room next door, i will post some things from that meeting later.
 
I posted this in june 09

http://www.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=124373

I moved from 142 to 136 and have to say I am am enjoying it there. We need more vocal support though. You have to understand 110/111 and southstand, that most of the time you get different songs going simultaneously ... we tend to join in with the loudest. We have stareted some big "full grounders" off, from the NS especially against Arsenal and the Rags .. I know, I started them!
I sing as much as possible to try and get others to loose their inhibitions and its coming on slowly but surely.
Next time you sing "North stand give us a song", I will be the first one on my feet!

It also has to be said that when teams like Fulham and bolton come, the atmosphere is poorer due to the lack of away fans.
"did you come on a Moped" failed miserably on tuesday, but at least i tried 8)
 
OK.

So here's a solution. When we play the likes of Bolton, Pompey, Fulham, etc or any other club that want or can only sell an allocation of less then a 1000 tickets, why not put them in the top tier of the away end and give the bottom tier of the away end to home fans, thuse creating a home end. (2 ends full of City fans)

And don't tell me it can't be done. The top tier of the away end has been given over to home fans before. Obviously all these meetings didn't look at a situaion like the above which can be done without affecting season ticket holders and away fans.

City should get back together, sit down, discuss this and implement this for next season.

COME ON CITY, THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX FFS!!
 
Fair play to the club for looking into it, it's obvious that the ground design is holding City back from doing anything about it.

Whether you agreed with it or not the main thing still remains, the atmosphere needs to improve drastically as the matchday experience at the moment at home games is dire.

As mentioned on another thread, the club should look at introducing a few more designated singing areas where the stewarding is relaxed, everyone can stand and those who want to stand, sing and shout can do so.

It would be ideal if two more were introduced either side of the north stand in the corners where no ones view would be obstructed either side of the block. This would give the north stand a chance to join in as they would be able to hear the songs and it would be quite loud.

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If they did the above then we would have noise from all four corners of the ground and the atmosphere would never be shit. At the moment if either 110/111 or South Stand start a song of it only reaches block 104 in the east stand or the dugouts in the colin bell stand before it starts to die out giving the north stand no chance of joining in.

I'd move to either 140 or 132 if City did this.
 
jrb said:
OK.

So here's a solution. When we play the likes of Bolton, Pompey, Fulham, etc or any other club that want or can only sell an allocation of less then a 1000 tickets, why not put them in the top tier of the away end and give the bottom tier of the away end to home fans, thuse creating a home end. (2 ends full of City fans)

And don't tell me it can't be done. The top tier of the away end has been given over to home fans before. Obviously all these meetings didn't look at a situaion like the above which can be done without affecting season ticket holders and away fans.

City should get back together, sit down, discuss this and implement this for next season.

COME ON CITY, THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX FFS!!
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this was discussed, the onus for the tickets in the upper level away end is with the visiting club, they dont always give back the unsold ticket allocation in time, bear in mind that the big clubs always sell their allocation, the teams that dont are the smaller clubs i.e wigan, fulham etc which invarably means we have'nt sold out either and the need for the upper south stand just is'nt there.you may say that the people on the northstand can relocate but if we get returns in the same week of the game i reckon that would be too late start all the re jigging.
 
jrb said:
OK.

So here's a solution. When we play the likes of Bolton, Pompey, Fulham, etc or any other club that want or can only sell an allocation of less then a 1000 tickets, why not put them in the top tier of the away end and give the bottom tier of the away end to home fans, thuse creating a home end. (2 ends full of City fans)

And don't tell me it can't be done. The top tier of the away end has been given over to home fans before. Obviously all these meetings didn't look at a situaion like the above which can be done without affecting season ticket holders and away fans.

City should get back together, sit down, discuss this and implement this for next season.

COME ON CITY, THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX FFS!!
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it would be ideal to try it out, pompey, rovers and bolton, the last 3 games we've only just played we could of done this.
 
I 'sit', and sit being the word in SS upper. Nobody stands and they wouldn't let you stand there anyway. The away fans tend to sit as well, unlike the away fans in the lower level who always stand. It did look good when United stood in the top tier, but the club won't allow us to stand, even if we wanted too.

The answer is above. Put the away fans in the top tier when their ticket sales are less then a thousand and give the bottom tier to the home fans. That should cover the following games. Obviously some of these clubs will be relegated this season.

Portsmouth
Bolton
Wigan
West Ham
Blackburn
Fulham
Birmingham?

That's 7 matches were we could trial Operation One End to see if it has any impact on the atmosphere. Hopefully this will be looked at for next season, if the subject/agenda isn't already dead?
 
de niro said:
jrb said:
OK.

So here's a solution. When we play the likes of Bolton, Pompey, Fulham, etc or any other club that want or can only sell an allocation of less then a 1000 tickets, why not put them in the top tier of the away end and give the bottom tier of the away end to home fans, thuse creating a home end. (2 ends full of City fans)

And don't tell me it can't be done. The top tier of the away end has been given over to home fans before. Obviously all these meetings didn't look at a situaion like the above which can be done without affecting season ticket holders and away fans.

City should get back together, sit down, discuss this and implement this for next season.

COME ON CITY, THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX FFS!!
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this was discussed, the onus for the tickets in the upper level away end is with the visiting club, they dont always give back the unsold ticket allocation in time, bear in mind that the big clubs always sell their allocation, the teams that dont are the smaller clubs i.e wigan, fulham etc which invarably means we have'nt sold out either and the need for the upper south stand just is'nt there.you may say that the people on the northstand can relocate but if we get returns in the same week of the game i reckon that would be too late start all the re jigging.
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There's no reason why away clubs can't sell the top tier first. If the bottom tier doesn't sell out City can move the barriers on the bottom concorse of the away end on match days and let the home fans into the bottom areas of the away end. It can be done and it wouldn't cause a problem. I know for a fact fans in 109/110/111 would move across and join up with SS Lower if they were given the opportunity.

There is always an excuse(not having a go at you matey), but there is always a solution.
 
Very disappointing. And not having it that it's logistically impossible. Just move them to the other side of the south stand.

The atmosphere will stay shit for ever more.

The only hope is that the current south stand carries on dying a death and they keep moving over to the corner area.

And that becomes the onyl singing area.
 
Putting the minority away fans in the top tier makes sense, but surely putting
us to infill below would cause missile problems or P**s in cups being launched
from above.
 
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