Osama Bin Laden is dead.

[brass neck]

which part of Cuba? The bit that despite attack from the worlds strongest superpower is just about managing to keep its head above water while maintaining a national health service or the bit that was taken from the country and is a no go zone to the Cuban people? I think anyone who has watched this shitt unfold has the right to ask if its a conspiracy? Ive still not seen any plane wreckage outside the pentagon and why didn't Pakistan know that the worlds most wanted man was living in their back yard.........................this turn of events is so dodgy looking and thats before investigative journalists start asking questions, well the ones that are allowed to at least!!!

Ignorant, stupid, and I really don't know how to put into perspective what you seem to be proposing. So you are telling me that all the people that died on 9/11, people that saw the plane physically fly into the pentagon, and the families of these people who died are all in on a giant conspiracy orchestrated by the United States? You need a fucking wake up call sir! Get your dick out of Stalin's ass and take a second to actually use your brain and think this out.

Which Stalin the nutter that the west makes a point of remembering who did unmentionable things to his people or the hero the west convieniently forgets who almost single handedly saved the world from Hitler?

No i haven't forgot 9/11 but tell me again, which country did the perpetrators come from? Afghanistan? Pakistan? Iraq? and why were they left to do their thing by the American intelligence agency's? Your telling me not one little bit of the perpetrators actions leading upto 9/11 triggered just a little bit of concern from the Americans baring in mind Bin Laden was very prevalent and very well known to the USA YEARS before 9/11. I don't know what the truth is regarding Bin laden/al-Qaeda /9.11/Iraq/Afghanistan/Libya/Saudi Arabia/ Bush-Bin Ladin family's/dodgy dossiers/Arafat/ Benazir Bhutto/Alexander Litvinenko/David Kelly/BAE Saudi arms deal/Isreal....but you'll forgive me if I take time to questions the USA's point of view on it all as history has shown over the years, they as a nation and as a government chat utter, unrivaled shit on a very regular basis. Shit that years after turns out to be utter bollox but by which time thousands are dead billions are wasted and the chances of asking pertinent questions have melted away with the sands of time!

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Ignorant, stupid, and I really don't know how to put into perspective what you seem to be proposing. So you are telling me that all the people that died on 9/11, people that saw the plane physically fly into the pentagon, and the families of these people who died are all in on a giant conspiracy orchestrated by the United States? You need a fucking wake up call sir! Get your dick out of Stalin's ass and take a second to actually use your brain and think this out.

Which Stalin the nutter that the west makes a point of remembering who did unmentionable things to his people or the hero the west convieniently forgets who almost single handedly saved the world from Hitler?

No i haven't forgot 9/11 but tell me again, which country did the perpetrators come from? Afghanistan? Pakistan? Iraq? and why were they left to do their thing by the American intelligence agency's? Your telling me not one little bit of the perpetrators actions leading upto 9/11 triggered just a little bit of concern from the Americans baring in mind Bin Laden was very prevalent and very well known to the USA YEARS before 9/11. I don't know what the truth is regarding Bin laden/al-Qaeda /9.11/Iraq/Afghanistan/Libya/Saudi Arabia/ Bush-Bin Ladin family's/dodgy dossiers/Arafat/ Benazir Bhutto/Alexander Litvinenko/David Kelly/BAE Saudi arms deal/Isreal....but you'll forgive me if I take time to questions the USA's point of view on it all as history has shown over the years, they as a nation and as a government chat utter, unrivaled shit on a very regular basis. Shit that years after turns out to be utter bollox but by which time thousands are dead billions are wasted and the chances of asking pertinent questions have melted away with the sands of time!

The Soviet's generals were the heroes, not Stalin, though he did some good things during the war the real turning points came from guys like Zhukov who was the real hero for the Soviets in the war.

Stalin was a not a good guy in all this, yeah he "led" the Soviet Union to defeat the Nazis, but don't forget a lot of the other things about the Soviet Union and his tenure which frankly ranked alongside Hitler.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Which Stalin the nutter that the west makes a point of remembering who did unmentionable things to his people or the hero the west convieniently forgets who almost single handedly saved the world from Hitler?

No i haven't forgot 9/11 but tell me again, which country did the perpetrators come from? Afghanistan? Pakistan? Iraq? and why were they left to do their thing by the American intelligence agency's? Your telling me not one little bit of the perpetrators actions leading upto 9/11 triggered just a little bit of concern from the Americans baring in mind Bin Laden was very prevalent and very well known to the USA YEARS before 9/11. I don't know what the truth is regarding Bin laden/al-Qaeda /9.11/Iraq/Afghanistan/Libya/Saudi Arabia/ Bush-Bin Ladin family's/dodgy dossiers/Arafat/ Benazir Bhutto/Alexander Litvinenko/David Kelly/BAE Saudi arms deal/Isreal....but you'll forgive me if I take time to questions the USA's point of view on it all as history has shown over the years, they as a nation and as a government chat utter, unrivaled shit on a very regular basis. Shit that years after turns out to be utter bollox but by which time thousands are dead billions are wasted and the chances of asking pertinent questions have melted away with the sands of time!

The Soviet's generals were the heroes, not Stalin, though he did some good things during the war the real turning points came from guys like Zhukov who was the real hero for the Soviets in the war.

Stalin was a not a good guy in all this, yeah he "led" the Soviet Union to defeat the Nazis, but don't forget a lot of the other things about the Soviet Union and his tenure which frankly ranked alongside Hitler.

It never ceases to amaze me that some people on the left are happy to try and justify the actions of a mass murderer and sociopath.

 

[20sbc07]

show us the body if you have it obama

been reading that it's a fake, so not sure. It was posted in the NY Daily News online edition

Definitely a fake:

 

[brass neck]

the heroes of ww2 were the working man of all nations that were sent into battle by people who went to the similar sort of school Dave and Gideon went to. The same in bred/over educated toffs who started the domino topple to the war by tying Germany down to crippling and humiliating surrender term upon the armistice of ww1

the country that paid the dearest of all the nations were Russia who lost 8.5 million soldiers and 17 million civilians. Whether its palatable to us or not, if it wasn't for uncle Joe who sent them to their death, we would be eating snizel for breaky............

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

the heroes of ww2 were the working man of all nations that were sent into battle by people who went to the similar sort of school Dave and Gideon went to. The same in bred/over educated toffs who started the domino topple to the war by tying Germany down to crippling and humiliating surrender term upon the armistice of ww1

the country that paid the dearest of all the nations were Russia who lost 8.5 million soldiers and 17 million civilians. Whether its palatable to us or not, if it wasn't for uncle Joe who sent them to their death, we would be eating snizel for breaky............

That doesn't make him the 'hero' that you asserted earlier.

 

[Bigga]

But his demise means that the level of terrorism remains the same-ISH as it is now, rather than a huge surge of crazies attacking the U.S.

This was the best outcome

We'll have to disagree because I think strongly on this point.

Never should we abandon our principles for fear of reprisal.

The same people were calling for a ban to The Satanic Verses for fear of terrorism, or for the complete ruination of the freedom of the Danish press when fearful of potential terrorism. If we caved in to these lunatics, you wouldn't have the freedom you now enjoy.

What's transpired today is that many people are cheering the death of a man who has yet to be proven guilty in a court of law. Trial by media. If he was available to capture, I find it morally disgusting that some would call for his head right there and then. We have principles - principles which men have died for, and to cave in to them means the terrorist have got precisely what they wanted: recruitment material.

I disagree, fundamentally with your point.

I would go so far to say that having him on trial where hard line clerics can point to him being 'abused' and 'tortured' and perhaps 'enslaved like a dog' would create more terrorists than you could ever believe.

With his demise comes small voices and less martyrdom in the face of no captive being held to 'unjust' American law.

I can see your point, but sometimes you have to bend rules a little. I would say that those 'rules' would have been amended, somewhat, by the respect shown towards Islamic religion and burial.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

We'll have to disagree because I think strongly on this point.

Never should we abandon our principles for fear of reprisal.

The same people were calling for a ban to The Satanic Verses for fear of terrorism, or for the complete ruination of the freedom of the Danish press when fearful of potential terrorism. If we caved in to these lunatics, you wouldn't have the freedom you now enjoy.

What's transpired today is that many people are cheering the death of a man who has yet to be proven guilty in a court of law. Trial by media. If he was available to capture, I find it morally disgusting that some would call for his head right there and then. We have principles - principles which men have died for, and to cave in to them means the terrorist have got precisely what they wanted: recruitment material.

I disagree, fundamentally with your point.

I would go so far to say that having him on trial where hard line clerics can point to him being 'abused' and 'tortured' and perhaps 'enslaved like a dog' would create more terrorists than you could ever believe.

With his demise comes small voices and less martyrdom in the face of no captive being held to 'unjust' American law.

I can see your point, but sometimes you have to bend rules a little. I would say that those 'rules' would have been amended, somewhat, by the respect shown towards Islamic religion and burial.

^ I agree with this. I have become exasperated over the last few years about some of the things that have been done in the name of anti-terrorism but I cannot conceive of any way that they could have taken him alive. I know that probably makes me a bit of a hypocrite but sometimes reality has to impose itself on your principals.

 

[brass neck]

the heroes of ww2 were the working man of all nations that were sent into battle by people who went to the similar sort of school Dave and Gideon went to. The same in bred/over educated toffs who started the domino topple to the war by tying Germany down to crippling and humiliating surrender term upon the armistice of ww1

the country that paid the dearest of all the nations were Russia who lost 8.5 million soldiers and 17 million civilians. Whether its palatable to us or not, if it wasn't for uncle Joe who sent them to their death, we would be eating snizel for breaky............

That doesn't make him the 'hero' that you asserted earlier.

To be fair, i said he was both a nutter because of his actions to his nation (post ww2) and a hero for saving the world during ww2. The west only tends to mention the nutter bit, the saving the world bit gets glossed away very regularly. In fact its become accepted that the USA won WW2....they lost around 300 thousand solders and no civilians.....While being highly respected, as all deaths on both sides were, it pails into insignificance in the grand scheme of things really.

 

[Scottyboi]

After collecting my thoughts on this somewhat, I think that there is one stark lesson that has out of this:

If you don't care whether you live or die, you can morally and financially bankrupt the U.S. and its citizens with only the smallest amount of effort.

I presume that the Civil Contingencies Act and the Prevention of Terrorism Act are now both going to be rescinded as their excuse was terrorism?

Wait, you mean that governments don't give back power that they steal under the guise of security? Who'd of thunk it?

That last bit would make Alex Jones proud ;) its true though, like all these cuts once we have rid the debt they will still keep them!!