Oscar Pistorius

bluetrue said:
Too many to name. But a few:

'Witness' hearing screaming, who turns out to be 300m-600m away and couldn't confirm who was screaming.

Contamination of crime scene.

Failure to check if a phone call had been made to paramedics.

Failure to check on the 'testosterone' or read the full label.

Still confirms that there was an argument and that the light was on when Oscar said it was off. Is also not the only witness.

The policeman did not cover his shoes that is hardly going to change much as the bullets and blood samples were taken correctly.

They checked if a call had been made and it was made after calls to other parties were made. Still waiting for more evidence from telephone companies as to who called as of all the 2 mobile phones found none had called the paramedics.

The defense is claiming that the testosterone is a herbal remedy this has not been confirmed by any medical doctor and the story of steroids and drugs being found did not come from the prosecution. This has no bearing on the murder case more on the credibility of Oscar as an athlete.

Here is where it gets bad for ol boy it has been confirmed that he accidentally fired a loaded gun in crowded restaurant and made someone else take the blame. He threatened another man and said he would "break his legs" over a woman he had been dating for a few months. He had a case of abuse against him dropped by a woman in 2009. Another witness has said she heard the couple fight non stop for an hour before the shooting. The bullets used and several others found were all unlicensed a crime which has been added to his sheet. More evidence including forensic is to be released as well as other witness testimony. Finally the holster for the gun was found on the side his girlfriend slept not on his side with the prosecution arguing that if it was on her side he took out his gun knowing she was in bed as it would have been impossible to miss her presence/absence while retrieving the firearm.

Also more evidence is coming.
 
allan harper said:
If he gets off with this I think he's going to become my favourite villain of all time.

If he does I'm ending every arguement with my girlfriend with... 'Did you hear that? Sounds like someones in the bathroom.'
 
bluetrue said:
Forgot that one! For the investigating officer to have to admit he has no evidence to contradict Oscar Pistorius's version of events is very telling.

He never said he has no evidence he said at the scene he did not SEE ANYTHING that led him to believe Oscar was lying. Cases are not solved or determined by the first visual contact made. That is why there are investigations.
 
bluetrue said:
allan harper said:
If he gets off with this I think he's going to become my favourite villain of all time.

Haha! Who's he replacing?

In my time, OJ Simpson, lets face it, if any woman can drive a man mad enough to commit murder, then I see it as they're doing the woman's next partner a favour. Once a nagging woman. Always a nagging woman.

We all know what's gone on, he's gone out for a beer with his mates, she's nagged. He's come home late, she's nagged. He's drunk, she's nagged. He's fallen to sleep without giving her a kiss goodnight, she's huffed and puffed. He's snoring like fuck and she's prodding and poking him, he's grabbed the gun and thought fuck you ya woman, she's not nagging no more.
 
didactic said:
bluetrue said:
Too many to name. But a few:

'Witness' hearing screaming, who turns out to be 300m-600m away and couldn't confirm who was screaming.

Contamination of crime scene.

Failure to check if a phone call had been made to paramedics.

Failure to check on the 'testosterone' or read the full label.

Still confirms that there was an argument and that the light was on when Oscar said it was off. Is also not the only witness.

The policeman did not cover his shoes that is hardly going to change much as the bullets and blood samples were taken correctly.

They checked if a call had been made and it was made after calls to other parties were made. Still waiting for more evidence from telephone companies as to who called as of all the 2 mobile phones found none had called the paramedics.

The defense is claiming that the testosterone is a herbal remedy this has not been confirmed by any medical doctor and the story of steroids and drugs being found did not come from the prosecution. This has no bearing on the murder case more on the credibility of Oscar as an athlete.

Here is where it gets bad for ol boy it has been confirmed that he accidentally fired a loaded gun in crowded restaurant and made someone else take the blame. He threatened another man and said he would "break his legs" over a woman he had been dating for a few months. He had a case of abuse against him dropped by a woman in 2009. Another witness has said she heard the couple fight non stop for an hour before the shooting. The bullets used and several others found were all unlicensed a crime which has been added to his sheet. More evidence including forensic is to be released as well as other witness testimony. Finally the holster for the gun was found on the side his girlfriend slept not on his side with the prosecution arguing that if it was on her side he took out his gun knowing she was in bed as it would have been impossible to miss her presence/absence while retrieving the firearm.

Also more evidence is coming.

1) Doesn't confirm there was an argument, could have been anybody shouting.

2) Shows mistakes in how police handled the investigation.

3) Failed to look for other mobile phones and not one officer thought to phone the ambulance service to ask if a phonecall had been made.

4) The officer claimed that it was testosterone before admitting "I didn't read all of the label" Again shows poor investigations.

5) No further evidence was taken after the accidental firing of a weapon.

6) How can you say 'more evidence is to be released including forensics' when the forensics haven't been completed. You are basically saying 'There is more evidence coming that will prove him guilty anyway.'

So I feel that the prosecution's case is very shaky. He also claimed all the bullets were fired from within the bathroom, which has proven not to be the case, as there was bullet casing in the corridor leading to the bathroom.

I am also concerned as to the witness who lived 600m away suddenly only lived 300m away when they reconvened after a break.

I have not yet made my mind up, however I feel the investigation was being run by a very amateur detective, who failed to carry out simple fact finding. He was torn to shreds by the defence today and it looks as if bail is likely.
 
didactic said:
BoyBlue_1985 said:
didactic said:
This is what I feared him getting off on a technicality. He did murder her and I have zero doubt about that judging from what has been revealed thus far but he may find a loophole that gets him off.
Unless you where there you know as much as all of us that weren't and that amount is close to fuck all

There is a lot of information that has come out and the prosecutions case seems very, very solid. Add the witness testimony then I have a right to come to my conclusion. I remember you were defending Lance Armstrong too these celebs are not saints.
I watched that today the prosecution couldn't string a fucking sentence together without making themselves look stupid the investigating officer has just come out of clown college and the "eye" witnesses might as well of been on the moon. Im not defending and if he is guilty fuck him but with that pile of shite prosecution I could murder the judge in front of the media and walk out on a technicality
 
bluetrue said:
didactic said:
bluetrue said:
Too many to name. But a few:

'Witness' hearing screaming, who turns out to be 300m-600m away and couldn't confirm who was screaming.

Contamination of crime scene.

Failure to check if a phone call had been made to paramedics.

Failure to check on the 'testosterone' or read the full label.

Still confirms that there was an argument and that the light was on when Oscar said it was off. Is also not the only witness.

The policeman did not cover his shoes that is hardly going to change much as the bullets and blood samples were taken correctly.

They checked if a call had been made and it was made after calls to other parties were made. Still waiting for more evidence from telephone companies as to who called as of all the 2 mobile phones found none had called the paramedics.

The defense is claiming that the testosterone is a herbal remedy this has not been confirmed by any medical doctor and the story of steroids and drugs being found did not come from the prosecution. This has no bearing on the murder case more on the credibility of Oscar as an athlete.

Here is where it gets bad for ol boy it has been confirmed that he accidentally fired a loaded gun in crowded restaurant and made someone else take the blame. He threatened another man and said he would "break his legs" over a woman he had been dating for a few months. He had a case of abuse against him dropped by a woman in 2009. Another witness has said she heard the couple fight non stop for an hour before the shooting. The bullets used and several others found were all unlicensed a crime which has been added to his sheet. More evidence including forensic is to be released as well as other witness testimony. Finally the holster for the gun was found on the side his girlfriend slept not on his side with the prosecution arguing that if it was on her side he took out his gun knowing she was in bed as it would have been impossible to miss her presence/absence while retrieving the firearm.

Also more evidence is coming.

1) Doesn't confirm there was an argument, could have been anybody shouting.

2) Shows mistakes in how police handled the investigation.

3) Failed to look for other mobile phones and not one officer thought to phone the ambulance service to ask if a phonecall had been made.

4) The officer claimed that it was testosterone before admitting "I didn't read all of the label" Again shows poor investigations.

5) No further evidence was taken after the accidental firing of a weapon.

6) How can you say 'more evidence is to be released including forensics' when the forensics haven't been completed. You are basically saying 'There is more evidence coming that will prove him guilty anyway.'

So I feel that the prosecution's case is very shaky. He also claimed all the bullets were fired from within the bathroom, which has proven not to be the case, as there was bullet casing in the corridor leading to the bathroom.

I am also concerned as to the witness who lived 600m away suddenly only lived 300m away when they reconvened after a break.

I have not yet made my mind up[/color], however I feel the investigation was being run by a very amateur detective, who failed to carry out simple fact finding. He was torn to shreds by the defence today and it looks as if bail is likely.

According to sky 20 mins ago the reporter said bail had gone from not much chance to hopefull at best.

-- Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:02 pm --

BoyBlue_1985 said:
didactic said:
BoyBlue_1985 said:
Unless you where there you know as much as all of us that weren't and that amount is close to fuck all

There is a lot of information that has come out and the prosecutions case seems very, very solid. Add the witness testimony then I have a right to come to my conclusion. I remember you were defending Lance Armstrong too these celebs are not saints.
I watched that today the prosecution couldn't string a fucking sentence together without making themselves look stupid the investigating officer has just come out of clown college and the "eye" witnesses might as well of been on the moon. Im not defending and if he is guilty fuck him but with that pile of shite prosecution I could murder the judge in front of the media and walk out on a technicality

It is only a bail hearing though
Am sure they will get their act together come the trial.
 
allan harper said:
bluetrue said:
allan harper said:
If he gets off with this I think he's going to become my favourite villain of all time.

Haha! Who's he replacing?

In my time, OJ Simpson, lets face it, if any woman can drive a man mad enough to commit murder, then I see it as they're doing the woman's next partner a favour. Once a nagging woman. Always a nagging woman.

We all know what's gone on, he's gone out for a beer with his mates, she's nagged. He's come home late, she's nagged. He's drunk, she's nagged. He's fallen to sleep without giving her a kiss goodnight, she's huffed and puffed. He's snoring like fuck and she's prodding and poking him, he's grabbed the gun and thought fuck you ya woman, she's not nagging no more.

Hahaha I think its more an insecurity thing I will explain. He is not an unattractive man but I do not think that during his school years he was dating many women. He himself says he was more focused on sport and this helped him deal with his disability. Also his mother died when he was 15 which can add to the trauma. All of a sudden he applies himself more and becomes successful and what comes with that? Fame and money and women all of a sudden he is dating models and beauties but those inner feelings inadequacy still linger. Why should they be with him when they can have a two legged lover? There is nothing worse than your own self that is why it is important to accept yourself however you are. It is not easy dating women who get attention constantly unless you are secure in yourself it can make you paranoid. Paranoia leads to aggressiveness and possessiveness. His ex's have already stated that he was a very possessive man even this lady who is not dead described him as "intense" but she loved him.

I think it just got to him I mean the woman was stunning and her star was rising too meaning she was getting more attention. Was she just using him to launch herself all sorts of self doubt could have crept in his head. I will wait for the telephone reports to come out but I think she got a call from someone which was the final straw. He snapped confronted her on it and they argued. No one else but them two know what was said but we do know what happened.
 

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