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I really cant see us giving up on Mangala so soon but if we did this, it would show we've not been happy with his play and not seeing the improvement we were hoping to see...

Valencia could swap Otamendi for Manchester City’s Eliaquim Mangala
by Tom Conn | Posted on Saturday, August 15th, 2015


Manchester City are now believed to be the favourites to sign Valencia’s want-away centre-back Nicolas Otamendi, but Los Che could ask for Eliaquim Mangala in exchange.

According to the Mirror, Manchester City are not likely to pay Otamendi’s €50 million release clause and in order to get Valencia to lower their asking price, they could be prepared to offer them an immediate replacement in Mangala.

Mangala has struggled since his £32 million move from Porto to the Etihad last summer and with the possibility of Otamendi arriving in several weeks, City have deemed the French international as his replacement to Valencia.

However, despite the recent reports that Mangala is the man to fill Nuno’s back-line, reports in Spain suggest that if they sell Otamendi, Zenit’s Ezquiel Garay will be on his way back to Spain to play for Valencia this season.

Otamendi played 38 La Liga games for Valencia this past season, scoring six goals and being named to La Liga’s Team of the Season.
 
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I think the fact that he missed training yesterday speaks volumes. This could get interesting pretty quickly.
 
Expect this has already been discussed but a loan of Mangala to Valencia for the season would give him 12 months experience in a top league against the best players in the world and could knock a few million off the transfer fee.

Demichelis will probably leave next summer, to be replaced by a returning, more experienced Mangala leaving us with a good blend of youth and experience in Kompany, Otamendi, Mangala and Denayer. Also, this would have no implication on the non-homegrown quota.
 
Dont see why giving up on mangala is such a surprise?

He had a full season, and never really looked right. He's now 24 so he's at an age where you'd expect his development to be coming to a head...also kompany is yet to convince he's back to his best, and that isn't guaranteed either.

You could end up with this guy partnering demi as a starting two, until demi leaves for river plate. Denayer could also still get plenty of football.

Its a strange situation no doubt because we don't get to judge them from training, but the Chelsea game will be a good barometer.
 
LittleEgg said:
Dont see why giving up on mangala is such a surprise?

He had a full season, and never really looked right. He's now 24 so he's at an age where you'd expect his development to be coming to a head...also kompany is yet to convince he's back to his best, and that isn't guaranteed either.

You could end up with this guy partnering demi as a starting two, until demi leaves for river plate.

Chelsea will be a good barometer.
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Because traditionally in football, if clubs did that, then many of the top defenders anywhere would never have become top defenders, including Kompany who played one game at cb & got chewed up by Peter Crouch & was generaly played as a def mid, Lescott who was prone to involvement in calamity.

Alan Hansen was in and out of the Liverpool team, Gary Pallister was a fucking comedy at Utd. What they all showed, is they have fight & determination to go with their physical mass & occasional excellent performances. As does Mangala.

What you are suggesting, is that if Otamendi struggles after us paying 30 mil for him, we fuck him off next season.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Because traditionally in football, if clubs did that, then many of the top defenders anywhere would never have become top defenders, including Kompany who played one game at cb & got chewed up by Peter Crouch & was generaly played as a def mid, Lescott who was prone to involvement in calamity.

Alan Hansen was in and out of the Liverpool team, Gary Pallister was a fucking comedy at Utd. What they all showed, is they have fight & determination to go with their physical mass & occasional excellent performances. As does Mangala.

What you are suggesting, is that if Otamendi struggles after us paying 30 mil for him, we fuck him off next season.
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He had a whole season. At one point he actually seemed to be going backward. with training and a whole pre-season i'd say the club know by now if they have a decent player on their hands, or a bit of a flop...at stuttgart he was dire, as were others to be fair, but there was no pressure in that game really.

What YOU are suggesting is that city stick by a player for an extended amount of time in the chance he might come good...that is all well and good when you have a very dependable set of other defensive options, but city don't have that luxury at this time unfortunately. Vinny was terrible last season, demi is getting old and wishes for his move soon, denayer is unproven, and that is about your lot.


Bringing in a CB with experience, and a good recent track record is very important for city's title chances imo...Besides if it ends up being a loan deal, then mangala can develop a little more in spain, and possibly return a better player.

Either way though in the short term city will be better off.

2sheikhs said:
We KNOW Otamendi is a quality cb. We HOPE that Mangala becomes one.
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This, succinctly put.
 
Mangala is going nowhere. Thankfully the club aren't as reactionary as the gobshites in the press and those who's opinions are formed from what MOTD tells them.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Because traditionally in football, if clubs did that, then many of the top defenders anywhere would never have become top defenders, including Kompany who played one game at cb & got chewed up by Peter Crouch & was generaly played as a def mid, Lescott who was prone to involvement in calamity.

Alan Hansen was in and out of the Liverpool team, Gary Pallister was a fucking comedy at Utd. What they all showed, is they have fight & determination to go with their physical mass & occasional excellent performances. As does Mangala.

What you are suggesting, is that if Otamendi struggles after us paying 30 mil for him, we fuck him off next season.
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Sadly this is becoming the norm for us at centre half. Our problems at the back stem from how we don't press or track back as a team. Not so much how we defend as individuals.

With our style of football we have to accept that we will be open at the back from time to time.

We have to give Mangala another season. Unless Demi wants to leave, this makes zero sense.
 
Don't think some of you realise how good Otamendi is, he'd comfortably be our best centre back.
 
2sheikhs said:
Odds have gone from 8-1 against to 2-5 on.
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I'm definitely not against the transfer, I just can't see us letting Mangala go for it to happen.
That said I'm not privy to what's going on behind closed doors and if there are other reasons rather than footballing ones then who knows.
It certainly won't be because his first season was a bit hit and miss. The outlay and effort we put into signing him in the first place tells us we rate him at the club.
 
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