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[harborough manc]

It's not me !


Posted as a joke and to show were does this madness stop ?

Unfortunately it seems never ending. One day it will eat it self.

 

[Stoned Rose]

History is what it is History you can't condem people of today for what happened 100-200 years ago, if you did where would it stop how far back would be exceptable no country or people are whiter than white.
I love the ship on our badge and very proud of it so fuck off.

Blacker than black feels left out.

 

[rickmcfc]

Even Bluemoon is getting in on the action and removing sails from ships! Tut tut

 

[SebastianBlue]

There, I fixed the Bluemoon logo.

@Ric you can use this for free.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Whilst I appreciate this blue’s work to highlight the role slavery and colonialism played in Manchester’s history (something we still need to explore more), removing the ship on the badge is not going to change anything. In fact, I think leaving it does more good.

Why?

It was donkeys years ago and it's hardly like some big revelation. I don't think it needs to be explored more at all.

 

[Chippy_boy]

But what I do think we need to do is study the past to understand how it shaped the present (and how it will influence the future), as it has very real, continuing consequences that we are at least partially responsible for (again, what is currently happening in Sudan and Israel/Palestine being but two of many, many examples of that). And that extends to our actions today; our socioeconomic structure is largely based on externalised cost through exploitation of peoples around the world, much of it originating from our empire building.

To ignore that is to act as if our way of life is wholly independent of what has come before. Which is not only demonstratively wrong, but very dangerous.

Sorry mate but I think that's a right load of bollocks.

 

[bobom]

I listen to this podcast, Empire, and it was brilliant. First season about the British in India, the second about the Ottoman empire. A really fascinating and fair-minded discussion.

But what was amazing to me was how much (of the British in India, at least) was unknown to me, and is certainly never taught in schools. And I'm very interested in history... But as a country we simply do not know the facts about our history.

Needing to address that shouldn't be controversial and is quite different from making simplistic judgments about monuments/symbols etc. It's not about blaming anyone in the present, or trying to make people feel guilty, a country should simply know its history, and most don't make an effort to do so beyond really simplistic stories.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Sorry mate but I think that's a right load of bollocks.

I have already posted a lot about this in the thread and have said I would stop to avoid further contributing to off topic debate. I will just say that some of my post you quote is opinion, so we can agree to disagree, but some of it refers to (somewhat ironically termed) empirical economic fact, so can’t really be debated (thus can’t be “bollocks”).

 

[Coatigan]

There, I fixed the Bluemoon logo.

@Ric you can use this for free.

Reminds me of the time that I went ages thinking the poster blueoli was blueoil.

So I guess I find it inappropriate.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Reminds me of the time that I went ages thinking the poster blueoli was blueoil.

So I guess I find it inappropriate.

Guess we’ll have to scrap it all then.

White text on white background it is!