Yeah Utd are clearly saying slavery is the work of the devil, so they are off the hook.
We have a rose below ours, different meaning.
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Yeah Utd are clearly saying slavery is the work of the devil, so they are off the hook.
We have a rose below ours, different meaning.
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Unfortunately, I don’t think I am the one that is not comprehending posts, especially as I didn’t claim “people were for using technology”. I am not sure you are actually reading my replies at this point.
By the way, I do try to mitigate my contribution to the suffering of others around the world by doing my best to buy as much as I can second-hand and new products sourced via fair trade and non-exploitation certified supply chains. And I advocate against (and, in this case, highlight) the exploitation of billions that is necessary to sustain our western lifestyle (that you seemingly dismiss as not your problem).
I am not perfect—have never claimed I am—but at least I am aware and care about how I am contributing to human suffering, even if I cannot stop all of it, and try to take responsibility for my actions and decisions. I don’t bury my head in the sand so I don’t see how my choices harm others.
This post (and our conversation) will likely now get removed) so I will just end it by saying we disagree but we are still both blues and we’re ultimately on the same side of the badge issue (I think getting rid of the ship is a stupid idea).
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We sunk the Mary Rose and by we I mean you personally. Git.
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Just stop...
Where's my orange powder?!
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…it was a joke.
Edit: sorry, see you were joking, too. Haha. I am a bit wound up from the other debate.
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I actually said we should leave it there but you didn't so sorry you obviously don't comprehend posts. Now off you pop and well done for your small pain free failed contribution at helping the down trodden.
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Ok, off you go and well done acting like a dipper.
You may have misread the tone of my post. Or I may have misread the tone of your git bit.
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I wouldn't get wound up by this debate. The ship sailed long ago.
From my blog at https://acton28.blog/2023/04/22/shipahoy/
Dear Manchester, put your money where your mouth is, this slavery malarkey has to end. End of. Peace and love, Abe Lincoln (P.S. United don’t exist as a club yet, but they’ll probably worship the devil).
The above letter is a paraphrased example. Like much of the world Manchester was wearing the latest clothing of the time around that time. Gucci? Not born. Cotton? Everywhere. The bustling smog of Manchester coated moths, as much as provided clothing to men and women alike. Transgenders were around but less represented. It was, of course, different times. Cash was made. Lots of it.
Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels had met in Manchester a few years earlier and released their Waterstones best seller The Condition of the Working Class in England. Jack Reacher novels were nowhere to be seen.
Turn-und Sportverein München von 1860 hadn’t even started kicking a football until 1899. Die Blauen had other sports, and all could have worn cotton garments made in Lancashire. Those kits wouldn’t have featured cotton picked by slaves in the U.S. of A. No. No way. Lancastrian workers had principles. Rather than make a quick Queen Victoria penny, cotton mill workers took a stand. Southern b****ds from U.S.of A. were attacking their northern kin and union. The Confederacy could no longer count on cash from much of the north west of England. Unlike England’s Liverpool, where Confederate flags flew proudly. As some households went hungry, more than half of the mills and looms lay silent.
"I know and deeply deplore the sufferings which the working-men of Manchester, and in all Europe, are called to endure in this crisis” – letter: To the Working-men of Manchester, Abraham Lincoln.
Manchester’s Manchester Guardian opposed the blockades. It wanted to put food back on the people’s table. Yet, workers gathered in the Free Trade Hall stuck two fingers up at a proposal to drop the blockade. They backed Abraham Lincoln and his northern union. Starvation and destitution followed. A tad like how the prices of tomatoes have been on the rise after the U.K. backed the Ukraine, whilst simultaneously telling Europe to go away. As the army read the riot act, and Lincoln (the man, not the city) earned himself a future statue in Manchester, praising ”sublime Christian heroism”. Ships full of provisions were also sent, which was a relief for many in Manchester. Within two years slavery was added to the U.S. Constitution and Manchester’s mills were back pumping crap into the air, allowing families to feed themselves once again.
Abraham Lincoln’s fate wasn’t so pleasant and before he had chance to visit Manchester, he was gunned down. This process has been repeated a few times since and seems integral to U.S. culture. So, when The Guardian, The Daily Mail, etc. manipulate headlines to flag Manchester City, and even MUFC’s crest as being a symbol of slavery, they need to dig into their research skills and work on their journalistic talents before blindly printing misinformation. Even the Manchester Evening News and MUFC’s historian had the decency to highlight the city’s backing of the abolitionist movement. The Manchester Guardian, founder, John Edward Taylor had partnerships with slavers and their companies. History is littered with profits being made over humanity. Let’s learn from it. We’re better for it. We can’t hide our history!
Man U added their ship to a badge in 1902. City used Manchester’s heraldic design from 1894 to 1960. The ship on both is that of a merchant ship to symbolise the city’s link to the Manchester Ship Canal. The Guardian’s writer connects the ship to black history in an insulting an incorrect way. History matters. Get it right. Stop trying to revise history and change a country’s shame based on a misplaced reckoning.
The Guardian writer Simon Hattenstone even suggested the bee of Manchester’s industry replaces the ship. If he had been a tad more industrial in his research and knowledge, he may have published a more compelling argument. Instead, he created a woke debate and accidentally made The Sun look like a paper of good response. And to agree with Man Utd historian J.P. Neill, I close with this quote: “’Not only did the club badges long post-date the abolition of slavery, the clubs themselves were only founded decades after slavery was ended.”