Our Badge

[Kompany Car]

Spurs - A Cockerel which was used for Cock fighting (with spurs) - Animal Cruelty

City/United - A Supposed slave boat.

United/Lincoln city - A satanic imp - Devil worship

Plymouth- Mayflower - Led to the colonisation, enslavement and slaughter of Native Americans.

Chelsea - Rampant lion taken from Earl Cadogans heraldic coat of arms - plantation owner in Grenada.

You can go on and on and to what end, to stir up more division ?

Knowing history is important to ensure things are never allowed to happen again, but dwelling on it and using it as the sole lens to view the modern world through is just as bad as ignoring it.

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

I've always been proud to wear our badge and no woke **** will ever change that.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Spurs - A Cockerel which was used for Cock fighting (with spurs) - Animal Cruelty

City/United - A Supposed slave boat.

United/Lincoln city - A satanic imp - Devil worship

Plymouth- Mayflower - Led to the colonisation, enslavement and slaughter of Native Americans.

Chelsea - Rampant lion taken from Earl Cadogans heraldic coat of arms - plantation owner in Grenada.

You can go on and on and to what end, to stir up more division ?

Knowing history is important to ensure things are never allowed to happen again, but dwelling on it and using it as the sole lens to view the modern world through is just as bad as ignoring it.

England’s three lions - the Empire and all England’s evils going back to the Crusades.

Burton Albion’s brewer - links to alcoholism and all its ills, the brewer even has a beer belly.
Hull’s tiger - cultural appropriation of Asian countries’ animal and symbolism.
West Ham’s irons and badge shape - are a symbol of 1800s ironclad warships.
Colchester United - have a mosaic Roman aquila symbol.
Millwall’s lion - see England’s badge or Hull’s tiger.
Crawley Town - have three fighter jets and are another club with a devil.
Wycombe Wanderers - an animal IN CHAINS, oh my God!
Reading have a lion and a crown - oops, imperialism
Middlesbrough - another lion
Salford City - another lion
Burnley - yeah there’s a lion on there n’all.
Wigan’s crown - imperialism.
Leicester have a fox and come out to fox hunting horns!
Peterborough have a crown and keys.
Shrewsbury - three lions.
Crewe - a lion.
Accrington Stanley also have a lion on their badge and a knight’s helmet.
Exeter have both a lion wearing a crown and a knight’s helmet.
Forest Green have a lion wearing a crown.
Aston Villa have a lion.
Charlton and Sheffield United have swords - oh dear, that shows the entire human history of wars and conquering and subjugation.
Bristol Rovers have a threatening sword wielding pirate.
Another Rovers, Doncaster, have a Viking with a sword.
Arsenal’s cannon, a weapon used in colonisation and the spread of our empire.
Newcastle have a lion.
Sunderland have two lions.
Tranmere have three lions and a ship.
Rotherham have a windmill - even though I genuinely Googled ‘are windmills racist’ there were thankfully no returns on the question.
Watford have a moose that I’ve included for no other reason than to ask, why the fuck have Watford got a moose on their badge?
And Bournemouth have a picture of Haaland heading a ball, or is it Andy Carroll?

 

[Coatigan]

People want to believe what is convenient and affirmative to their ideology, especially when not believing would force them to scrutinise their own thoughts and actions, and perhaps question their validility. It happens across the political spectrum.

I know they mean well—much more so than the moronic cunts across the way that hang Confederate flags and say they’re scouse not English, whatever that means—but they’re wholly misguided here, in my opinion.

We have a lot of good and bad history that should be discussed and debated more and this is just a nonsensical attempt at stoking culture wars to distract from retrospection that would actually make us a better city.

I am not so sure those discussions always end up doing much good. With the best will in the world. But that is a different topic I have tried to stay out of.

 

[Blue Llama]

Not to forget the dippers which is influenced by the coat of arms of Lachlan Macquarie who was responsible for two massacres of Aboriginals despite supposedly having a soft spot for them.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

I wouldnt normally agree with Morgan but he was spot on. Mention that Manchester was against the slave trade and supported the fight against it.

But these two ladies wouldnt have it. In their eyes it's a slave ship 100%. They were so blinkered and the truth didnt suit their 15 minutes of frame.

Is it possible to have extremeist liberals? They are ruining race relations imo.

I hate Piers Morgan. Cant fault him on most of what he said. Well done Talk TV?

 

[bobom]

“As a country we simply do not know the facts about our history”?

How do you quantify when ‘a country’ knows or does not know enough?

What is ‘enough’?

It sounds more like you have an opinion of ‘the people’ and think on balance that they’re not intelligent enough to remember being told how bad Britain behaved, I certainly was back in the seventies. I wasn’t given the gory details at seven years of age of course but remember the drawings of slave ships and even at such a young age recall figuring out how awful that was. That opinion has only got worse. I go to museums all the time, watch documentaries, discuss with family about what it must have been like during those times and nobody (parents, kids, siblings) ever display pride in what we or other nations did as an empire to other people. Maybe others choose to ignore the past but going off the popularity of museums, exhibitions, books and documentaries we have, I think the British have a huge interest in history.

But there’s more to learn, always. Like my great great grandmother who emigrated from Ireland to find work in the cotton mills of Accrington and who had many descendants who toiled in the same industry to feed their families, right up to my own generation (but likely no more), stories of people getting killed or maimed by dangerous machinery, of walking 3 or 4 hrs to and from work to their shifts and such. And of the millions in Manchester and Lancashire who did the same. That history I am proud of.

And now somebody wants to taint our region’s history because of a misunderstanding of a drawing of a ship.

They can do one.

I think you are making as many assumptions about people's attitudes to history as you accuse me of. I went to school in the eighties and wasn't taught any of the stuff I've been learning in regard to India, and my kids in school arent learning much about the empire either.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

I think you are making as many assumptions about people's attitudes to history as you accuse me of. I went to school in the eighties and wasn't taught any of the stuff I've been learning in regard to India, and my kids in school arent learning much about the empire either.

What’s your evidence that we (the country) isn’t suitably educated enough about the rights and wrongs of slavery? My evidence is that there is a clear interest in history in this country as exampled by the many museums, books and documentaries that exist.

This argument isn’t about learning anything anyway, I don’t think. I sense that the motivation from the critics is to get something changed that they don’t like (in this case because they don’t fully understand its use) and if they do they will be emboldened to continue onto another target.

 

[Centurions]

England’s three lions - the Empire and all England’s evils going back to the Crusades.

Burton Albion’s brewer - links to alcoholism and all its ills, the brewer even has a beer belly.
Hull’s tiger - cultural appropriation of Asian countries’ animal and symbolism.
West Ham’s irons and badge shape - are a symbol of 1800s ironclad warships.
Colchester United - have a mosaic Roman aquila symbol.
Millwall’s lion - see England’s badge or Hull’s tiger.
Crawley Town - have three fighter jets and are another club with a devil.
Wycombe Wanderers - an animal IN CHAINS, oh my God!
Reading have a lion and a crown - oops, imperialism
Middlesbrough - another lion
Salford City - another lion
Burnley - yeah there’s a lion on there n’all.
Wigan’s crown - imperialism.
Leicester have a fox and come out to fox hunting horns!
Peterborough have a crown and keys.
Shrewsbury - three lions.
Crewe - a lion.
Accrington Stanley also have a lion on their badge and a knight’s helmet.
Exeter have both a lion wearing a crown and a knight’s helmet.
Forest Green have a lion wearing a crown.
Aston Villa have a lion.
Charlton and Sheffield United have swords - oh dear, that shows the entire human history of wars and conquering and subjugation.
Bristol Rovers have a threatening sword wielding pirate.
Another Rovers, Doncaster, have a Viking with a sword.
Arsenal’s cannon, a weapon used in colonisation and the spread of our empire.
Newcastle have a lion.
Sunderland have two lions.
Tranmere have three lions and a ship.
Rotherham have a windmill - even though I genuinely Googled ‘are windmills racist’ there were thankfully no returns on the question.
Watford have a moose that I’ve included for no other reason than to ask, why the fuck have Watford got a moose on their badge?
And Bournemouth have a picture of Haaland heading a ball, or is it Andy Carroll?

Rotherham's is obviously poking fun at mental health issues and definitely needs banning.

 

[bobom]

What’s your evidence that we (the country) isn’t suitably educated enough about the rights and wrongs of slavery? My evidence is that there is a clear interest in history in this country as exampled by the many museums, books and documentaries that exist.

This argument isn’t about learning anything anyway, I don’t think. I sense that the motivation from the critics is to get something changed that they don’t like (in this case because they don’t fully understand its use) and if they do they will be emboldened to continue onto another target.

And I wasn't actually arguing that we change the badge, but that there is a complexity about these issues that people don't seem to be engaging with.