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Our Defence
- Thread starter malg
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Only the bottom 6?
Really??
Check this site.
http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2015-2016/between-dates
Date range: 13.09 to 12.12
jimharri
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"Our defence"? Is that what you'd define as one of those oxymoron thingys?
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blueinsa
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Check this site.
http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2015-2016/between-dates
Date range: 13.09 to 12.12
Apologies mate, I read it as only the bottom 6 have conceded more thus far this season.
Look, I agree its not good enough defensively right now it really isn't but i think its too simplistic to just blame the manager. I have pasted up Ferrans comments on how we will play and defend several times and he makes it clear it wont always work and that it a long, learning process for everyone.
Whether we like it or not, the Barca blueprint is there and the club is not going to deviate from that plan with us hopefully one day surpassing them and making it the City blueprint. Ferran is quoted as saying they wanted Pellegrini in because they trusted him to implement the plans they want and it looks like he is doing just that. results and performances at times might lead many to think what fucking plan? but its there and you can see what they want. I've just made the comment on another thread about the work rate required for a high defensive line and pressing all over the pitch and we are miles away from it right now with this crop of players who still decide it seems whether to turn up or not sometimes. they did it with Bob and now with Pellegrini.
Im not making an excuse for the manager with the above, im just saying what i think is at play at the club right now and of course, come the summer and hopefully Pep, they have the next man and their man who they hope can take it to the next level.
ninjamonkey
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You can't blame individual players for our defending, there's only one individual to blame and he's stood on the sidelines every week. We have to accept the defence isn't going to get any better anytime soon whilst pellegrini is in charge. You only have to listen to his press conferences where he says he'd rather win 4-1 than 1-0 to know he couldn't care less about our defending. It would be slightly easier to stomach if we were actually playing attacking football but were not. Our forward movement is similar to United's in that it's non-existant. We're just very fortunate we have special players that are continually producing individual moments of brilliance on a weekly basis to get us through most games.
Toney’s bookie
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Am I right in thinking that in the Prem we have only conceded one goal this season with Vinny in the side (v Norwich where Joe threw it in).
We basically have no leader and no defence without VK.
We basically have no leader and no defence without VK.
jaiguruKun
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As the stats show, our defence is one of the worst in the league at the moment.The midfield needs to be more disciplined. We need one player whose job it is just to protect the back four, like NDJ and GazBaz used to do. At the moment all of our midfielders are being given licence to roam forward which means the back four is constantly exposed and caught between closing down the opposition midfield or staying with the attacker. The opposition is being allowed to run with the ball at our defence far too often and the defence don't seem to have any clue how to deal with it. The defenders seem to back pedal leaving them with more space to attack or make a half arsed attempt to close down. Even the offside trap seems to be failing after working reasonably well during the last two seasons. Not sure Kompany coming back will be the magic pill everyone seems to think as the problems run deeper than that. It needs a manager who motivates the players to work harder and Pellers has lost that in my opinion.
simon23
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Is it that the cover in front of the back four is non existent, therefore the central defenders are getting dragged out of position? this is certainly one of the problems and even happens when VK is playing but his ability allows us to get away with it. This is why when he isn't playing we need to adapt but we don't.
Is it an ever changing back four, who have no idea how to play as a defensive unit? I've seen the centre backs out wide getting involved where the full backs should be, or even one of our wide players. This is down to discipline as well as the nature of the ever changing back 4...in this sense MP has been unlucky but the players need individual coaching esp manual who has a lot of qualities but makes very rash decisions...again good coaching will help this.
Is it that Vinny is the only leader we have back there? He seems to knit it together. Don't agree with that....Hart has a massive presence...you can here him even when the ball is around the half way line....its much too easy excuse
Can Hart do more? He can see it all, can he not give out a bollocking to Mangala/Otamendi and tell them that they're centre backs, and to stop fucking wandering. He s constantly bellowing at al the players so no i don't think he can do more.....this has to come from the manager and coaching staff
Is the manager to blame, or the coaching staff? Let's face it, they must be OK with the racing out and diving in otherwise the fuckers wouldn't be doing it.[/QUOTE] The coaching staff and the manager are largely to blame...the big problem is the team set up with the midfield but the injury factor is also an issue
Is it an ever changing back four, who have no idea how to play as a defensive unit? I've seen the centre backs out wide getting involved where the full backs should be, or even one of our wide players. This is down to discipline as well as the nature of the ever changing back 4...in this sense MP has been unlucky but the players need individual coaching esp manual who has a lot of qualities but makes very rash decisions...again good coaching will help this.
Is it that Vinny is the only leader we have back there? He seems to knit it together. Don't agree with that....Hart has a massive presence...you can here him even when the ball is around the half way line....its much too easy excuse
Can Hart do more? He can see it all, can he not give out a bollocking to Mangala/Otamendi and tell them that they're centre backs, and to stop fucking wandering. He s constantly bellowing at al the players so no i don't think he can do more.....this has to come from the manager and coaching staff
Is the manager to blame, or the coaching staff? Let's face it, they must be OK with the racing out and diving in otherwise the fuckers wouldn't be doing it.[/QUOTE] The coaching staff and the manager are largely to blame...the big problem is the team set up with the midfield but the injury factor is also an issue
We HAVE a defence?? It certainly is baffling I have not seen many teams that are as wide open as us and sit off teams and let them play. When we have the ball the opposition are on us and we don't seem to have any time,when the opposition have the ball they have all the time in the world.Pressing,workrate or lack of it I am not sure what it is but we look one of the easiest sides to play through at the minute.Every game it seems the opposition have at least three one on ones with Hart.
Am I right in thinking that in the Prem we have only conceded one goal this season with Vinny in the side (v Norwich where Joe threw it in).
We basically have no leader and no defence without VK.
Correct, 1 goal.
It's not just missing VK, we don't defend as a team. I almost feel sorry for our CB's. you can run 50 yard right onto them without a tackle being made.