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Our Defence
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simon23
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Im saying that Pellegrini was brought in because they trusted him 100% to implement the plan to the letter.
Im saying he is doing exactly what he is being told to do right now.
i dont like it or agree with it but it is what it is and the club i believe have accepted they might lose a few and suffer some pain because of it but with what we have and what we are against, it should be good enough to still bag us some silverware.
Pellegrini was always keeping a seat warm for Pep and its something ive said for nearly 3 years.
im not so sure on the silverware.....
i don't think we will win the league and that CC semi against Everton is a real tough one.
No way we will get anything in the champs league and the FA cup hasn't even started
Adapt and we would win the league at least
if true about Pep, then there is still going to be needed a major overhaul of players
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blueinsa
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im not so sure on the silverware.....
i don't think we will win the league and that CC semi against Everton is a real tough one.
No way we will get anything in the champs league and the FA cup hasn't even started
Adapt and we would win the league at least
if true about Pep, then there is still going to be needed a major overhaul of players
I have faith. If the past 4-5 seasons have taught us nothing its never write this squad off ;-)
simon23
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I have faith. If the past 4-5 seasons have taught us nothing its never write this squad off ;-)
yeah i get that
but we can (with this present squad) achieve more and surely that should be the ultimate goal?
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Good post, I agree with a lot of it.i saw what you posted yesterday (good read)
However i will say this - they are wrong to try and play this way at the present time...they may want to play like that but with the present players we cannot do it......we have forward who can press in sterling and KDB (but are not doing) and Kun (who is ok at it but not in comparison to say a tevez) but Bony is rubbish at it and Kelechi we just don't know
Our midfield isn't dynamic enough....fernando and yaya are terrible at it while ferna and delphi are ok but those two linked with non pressing from the forwards causes huge gaps to appear. Silva is good at stealing the ball but more in that he takes a player by surprise and not by pressing
Kolorov is woeful at it and gets turned and then looks like he is running through treacle
There are the centre halves who are getting a pasting at the moment but they are trying to dive into gaps and press that are just too much doe to the situation in midfield. We look better when we are complicit and there have been games when we do this sometimes but its not sustainable with the players we have
I get that this is the way the club wants to play and i also like it that way but with the repent crop of players we are struggling....and players like yay get hung out to dry because he is being asked to do something he is really not very good at.....we are stuck between two systems...one the club wants to play and one the players are better at and w are playing neither.....
The answer is to change and adapt for now and then a huge overhaul is needed:
Yaya will go (we know that)
Fernando just doesn't fit into that either
delphi gives us that energy but I'm not sure he has the class to take us to the very top (but a good squad player so he possibly stays)
nasri - feel sorry for him with his injuries but he doesn't fit into the pressing game - he relies on possession based football
kdb and sterling fit various systems
As for the defence
Kolorov - has to go....awful at it and then cant recover
MDM - just hasn't got the legs to do it and gets left for dust far too easily
the rest need proper coaching in it besides VK
I'm not so sure about Yaya going though, I think he can play in a pressing team, and showed that last Tuesday for me, he doesn't have to be mobile, just be the furthest back, and the controller, the one they can always use. His days of bursting forward are probably done, and he doesn't have the energy to chase about, but his ability to be in space to receive and pass is exceptional, so why not use his strengths ? When we signed him, he was brought in as a defensive midfielder, in fact we were criticised for having too many at the time, he'd even played in the back 4 at Barca, but we never use him that way. People say play him further forward, but I disagree, I think we should play him as an anchor in front of the CB's, we'd lose some of our attacking style, but we'd gain some stability, and from there he can also organise the others. Delph and Fernandhino can then provide the legs, with others working ahead of them.
TFC
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Having played together at Porto, we should be looking at Otamendi and Mangala as our first choice partnership for the foreseeable future but not seeing much of a 'click' out of them as of yet in sky blue....hopefully game time will see them form a better understanding. Of course once Vinny is fit for his half a dozen games before his next injury, he will come straight back in and we'll be back to square one in this regard.
Dont want to even get started on the full backs, we need a lot of work in this department. Not neccessarily going forward, but the defending is weak from both flanks.
Dont want to even get started on the full backs, we need a lot of work in this department. Not neccessarily going forward, but the defending is weak from both flanks.
jimmygrimblesboots
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Much as i applaud MP's outlook , when a team is going through a rough patch , its the defence you organise first , and build on that , a more solid midfield set up , will leave the defence less exposed , and when we get our best players back and in form , we can revert to the swashbuckling attacking football that MP loves to play and the supporters love to watch , in the meantime lets grind a few results out , keep in touch with the top of the premiership, becasue the next 8-10 weeks will make or break our season
lancs blue
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But what is the point in trying to play like Guardiola's Barca when we have neither the players nor, it seems, the manager to do that? That Barca side had Pique and Puyol as CBs with Busquets in front of them, as a defensive triangle that was as good as anything in Europe (or the world as they proved with Spain). It's becoming clear that we don't have defenders able to implement that style so if/when Guardiola arrives there will have to be considerable changes in personnel, defensively at least. In the meantime why not use a system that suits the players we have to maximise our chances of winning trophies?Im saying that Pellegrini was brought in because they trusted him 100% to implement the plan to the letter.
Im saying he is doing exactly what he is being told to do right now.
i dont like it or agree with it but it is what it is and the club i believe have accepted they might lose a few and suffer some pain because of it but with what we have and what we are against, it should be good enough to still bag us some silverware.
Pellegrini was always keeping a seat warm for Pep and its something ive said for nearly 3 years.
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blueinsa
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But what is the point in trying to play like Guardiola's Barca when we have neither the players nor, it seems, the manager to do that? That Barca side had Pique and Puyol as CBs with Busquets in front of them, as a defensive triangle that was as good as anything in Europe (or the world as they proved with Spain). It's becoming clear that we don't have defenders able to implement that style so if/when Guardiola arrives there will have to be considerable changes in personnel, defensively at least. In the meantime why not use a system that suits the players we have to maximise our chances of winning trophies?
Its a fair and reasoned question but the difference to these men and us as fans is they are thinking the long game rather than the here and now i suppose.
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If and when Kompany and zaba get back many of the problems will disappear , none of the back four presently seem too upset when we concede , these two are committed to keeping clean sheets
Jazzman
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This is an interesting thread!
simon23
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Good post, I agree with a lot of it.
I'm not so sure about Yaya going though, I think he can play in a pressing team, and showed that last Tuesday for me, he doesn't have to be mobile, just be the furthest back, and the controller, the one they can always use. His days of bursting forward are probably done, and he doesn't have the energy to chase about, but his ability to be in space to receive and pass is exceptional, so why not use his strengths ? When we signed him, he was brought in as a defensive midfielder, in fact we were criticised for having too many at the time, he'd even played in the back 4 at Barca, but we never use him that way. People say play him further forward, but I disagree, I think we should play him as an anchor in front of the CB's, we'd lose some of our attacking style, but we'd gain some stability, and from there he can also organise the others. Delph and Fernandhino can then provide the legs, with others working ahead of them.
oh i don't doubt his ability in all the things you have said...he controlled the game yesterday and some of his passing (as usual) was outstanding...ive also noticed he is trying really hard to defend better.
Ny assumption that he won't be here was based on the fact that his agent will no doubt stir the pot again come the summer.
Sorry if it's a repeat but for the majority of games, especially those we dominate, we play with a back 2 and not a back 4. Any mistakes made with such a high line are likely to get punished. Very few teams play through us when we're set up correctly.
Pellers wont change so this won't either. Couple this with that most games we spend only minutes defending, it's no wonder we're not very good, we don't get enough practice...
Pellers wont change so this won't either. Couple this with that most games we spend only minutes defending, it's no wonder we're not very good, we don't get enough practice...
Our entire defence is compromised by a lack of desire to do the dirty work. The tactic approach is absolutely fine if and only if all the players are prepared to do their jobs.
Example 1: The first clip on MOTD last night. 5 minutes into the game. Yaya is goal side on the half way line of his man who plays a ball out wide and Fernandinho has to go across to cover - no problem. He then plays it back inside to the man Yaya was supposed to be picking up and he's 5 yards in front of Yaya under absolutely no pressure to pick a perfect pass in between Otamendi and Mangala. It wasn't a quick one two or anything special that you could put down to good play by Swansea, it was sheer laziness.
Example 2: The second clip on MOTD, a couple of minutes later. The defence push up - no problem. Sterling fails to close down his man allowing a another easy pass in behind Clichy who is caught out of position because another midfielder hasn't done his job.
Example 1: The first clip on MOTD last night. 5 minutes into the game. Yaya is goal side on the half way line of his man who plays a ball out wide and Fernandinho has to go across to cover - no problem. He then plays it back inside to the man Yaya was supposed to be picking up and he's 5 yards in front of Yaya under absolutely no pressure to pick a perfect pass in between Otamendi and Mangala. It wasn't a quick one two or anything special that you could put down to good play by Swansea, it was sheer laziness.
Example 2: The second clip on MOTD, a couple of minutes later. The defence push up - no problem. Sterling fails to close down his man allowing a another easy pass in behind Clichy who is caught out of position because another midfielder hasn't done his job.
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Our entire defence is compromised by a lack of desire to do the dirty work. The tactic approach is absolutely fine if and only if all the players are prepared to do their jobs.
Example 1: The first clip on MOTD last night. 5 minutes into the game. Yaya is goal side on the half way line of his man who plays a ball out wide and Fernandinho has to go across to cover - no problem. He then plays it back inside to the man Yaya was supposed to be picking up and he's 5 yards in front of Yaya under absolutely no pressure to pick a perfect pass in between Otamendi and Mangala. It wasn't a quick one two or anything special that you could put down to good play by Swansea, it was sheer laziness.
Example 2: The second clip on MOTD, a couple of minutes later. The defence push up - no problem. Sterling fails to close down his man allowing a another easy pass in behind Clichy who is caught out of position because another midfielder hasn't done his job.
Spot on that,Ferna must be shagged out and pissed off watching Yaya stroll about
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Spot on that,Ferna must be shagged out and pissed off watching Yaya stroll about
It got no better when Delph came on though. In the second half Swnasea scored, had a goal disallowed and Hart had to make two great saves. It the whole team failing to defend. De Bruyne is the worst culprit
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blueinsa
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Great thread this with some excellent input and im glad that some are realising that we need to defend as a team instead of just blaming the manager or individuals.
Neville Kneville
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And yet Yaya is continually asked to do a similar kind of job.Spot on that,Ferna must be shagged out and pissed off watching Yaya stroll about
I wonder when this will end ? Will he go to Italy & be asked to run about closing down or picking up there, by some other clown, until he's 40 I wonder ?
It is laziness, lack of composure & what I fear worst, no organisation. It is there match after match sloppiness, e.g. the ball is regularly in the air coming into our area under no sort of pressure, so what do we do - head it aimlessly & without looking for a blue shirt BACK to the opposition. Job done.
We have no interest in tackling other than rushing in to commit a foul, so any time we can get the ball we need to do it.
From about minute 75 yesterday the only time we had the ball was picking it out of our net. Until we got lucky.
We have no interest in tackling other than rushing in to commit a foul, so any time we can get the ball we need to do it.
From about minute 75 yesterday the only time we had the ball was picking it out of our net. Until we got lucky.