P & O

west didsblue said:
Not often I agree with you!
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Whilst I would tend to vote tory, because I believe in capitalism and small business, what Cameron started and May continued, Johnson has surpassed 10 fold. I am NOT talking about Brexit !! I am talking about the disgracefully low standards of government and, keeping it within topic, this P&O debacle sums him up.
That a company can do that to workers and then bring in contractors on far less money and employment rights is disgraceful.
 
Blue Mist said:
Whilst I would tend to vote tory, because I believe in capitalism and small business, what Cameron started and May continued, Johnson has surpassed 10 fold. I am NOT talking about Brexit !! I am talking about the disgracefully low standards of government and, keeping it within topic, this P&O debacle sums him up.
That a company can do that to workers and then bring in contractors on far less money and employment rights is disgraceful.
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The fact that they can pontificate about how appallingly P&O have behaved whilst at the same time enabling it and introducing legislation to allow it to happen sums them up. Absolute bunch of cunts.
 
The usual amount of bluster from Johnson, ‘they will not get away with it’, ‘I am sure it is illegal’ etc, etc, and then it will all go quiet. That’s what he does, agree then do nothing. I really felt for a lady on local TV last week whose daughter was murdered in Hull. She went and spoke to Johnson last week and she said that he was very sympathetic and that he would do something about keeping women safe at night. You just know that nothing will happen and that she wasted her time. Really sad.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
The usual amount of bluster from Johnson, ‘they will not get away with it’, ‘I am sure it is illegal’ etc, etc, and then it will all go quiet. That’s what he does, agree then do nothing. I really felt for a lady on local TV last week whose daughter was murdered in Hull. She went and spoke to Johnson last week and she said that he was very sympathetic and that he would do something about keeping women safe at night. You just know that nothing will happen and that she wasted her time. Really sad.
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Yeah, you do know it’s not down to governments to tell men not to assault women don’t you? We should sort of know that already. I’m sure you can get dressed in the morning without the government telling you how to.
 
west didsblue said:
Given advance notice and allowed entry for foreign workers. Abstained or voted against hire and fire proposed legislation.
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The advance notice - as I understand it was the evening before - albeit a note apparently was done earlier in the day. In any case wether the government was made aware 12 hours or 18 hours in advance is still far from acceptable by P&O. As the government have maintained all along, P&Os actions are felt to be illegal - criminal infact which come with unlimited fines.

Not sure on foreign workers - presume they can’t legally stop them; two wrongs don’t make a right and all that.

Nobody voted against the Labour motion - not every MP was present that is true. The Labour motion passed 211-0 which was to condemn the decision of P&O ….and demand their immediate reinstatement and that the government would remove P&O from the TAG and review all contracts with them. It further went on to ask the government to bring forward a bill to urgently outlaw fire and rehire and strengthen workers rights. However what happened with P&O wasn’t fire and rehire it was just fire.
 
metalblue said:
Yeah, you do know it’s not down to governments to tell men not to assault women don’t you? We should sort of know that already. I’m sure you can get dressed in the morning without the government telling you how to.
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Of course I realise that MB. My point was that he says the right words but does nothing.
 
metalblue said:
The advance notice - as I understand it was the evening before - albeit a note apparently was done earlier in the day. In any case wether the government was made aware 12 hours or 18 hours in advance is still far from acceptable by P&O. As the government have maintained all along, P&Os actions are felt to be illegal - criminal infact which come with unlimited fines.

Not sure on foreign workers - presume they can’t legally stop them; two wrongs don’t make a right and all that.

Nobody voted against the Labour motion - not every MP was present that is true. The Labour motion passed 211-0 which was to condemn the decision of P&O ….and demand their immediate reinstatement and that the government would remove P&O from the TAG and review all contracts with them. It further went on to ask the government to bring forward a bill to urgently outlaw fire and rehire and strengthen workers rights. However what happened with P&O wasn’t fire and rehire it was just fire.
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They blocked the Employment and Trade Union Rights (Dismissal and Re-engagement) Bill last year.
 
Corky said:
They blocked the Employment and Trade Union Rights (Dismissal and Re-engagement) Bill last year.
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I do understand that, and their reasons may or may not be valid. It’s been a long debated topic.

Sadly none of that would have helped here when a company acts outside the law (as seems the case) and didn’t dismiss and re-engage they just dismissed.
 
bluethrunthru said:
yeah but they don't give a shit end of

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You’re just repeating the same line. How many MPs were in the house to actually approve the motion? And let’s be honest a motion that condemns P&O and asks the government to check contracts and look into fire and rehire (which isn’t even applicable here) is pretty weak on substance for people to get so animated about. No one voted against it - it passed. It’s clear Tories voted for it. What am I missing here? Where is the actual problem?
 
metalblue said:
Oh god yes he does… he’s a clown. But I do think the government will do something on this. They genuinely seem to give a shit, and rightly so.
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What makes you think they genuinely give a shit?
The track record of this government suggests that the only thing they give a shit about is staying in power and lining their own and their backers' pockets.
 
west didsblue said:
What makes you think they genuinely give a shit?
The track record of this government suggests that the only thing they give a shit about is staying in power and lining their own and their backers' pockets.
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What makes you think they don’t give a shit about this issue?

Have speculated that P&O broke the law and will be investigating that and bring criminal charges if they have.

Have urged and made representations to P&O management to review the decision.

Have undertaken a review of all government contracts with P&O.

What else could/should they have done in relation to this specific event with P&O?
 
metalblue said:
What makes you think they don’t give a shit about this issue?

Have speculated that P&O broke the law and will be investigating that and bring criminal charges if they have.

Have urged and made representations to P&O management to review the decision.

Have undertaken a review of all government contracts with P&O.

What else could/should they have done in relation to this specific event with P&O?
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Their track record of lying.

I am not an unreasonable person and would normally take someone at their word but in the case of Johnson and his government they are long past the point where I will give them the benefit of the doubt.
 
west didsblue said:
Their track record of lying.

I am not an unreasonable person and would normally take someone at their word but in the case of Johnson and his government they are long past the point where I will give them the benefit of the doubt.
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I do get the “doubt” mate, I really do - but on this occasion I’ve seen nothing to suggest they aren’t mighty pissed off with P&O.

Now they might be pissed off because being pissed off is a vote winner in their minds but I honestly don’t care so long as P&O are brought to book. It does nothing to change the rap sheet the Tories already have.
 
There's talk of now paying redundancy packages above the government minimum but crew have to sign a gagging order if they take it. If they contest the sackings then it reverts back to government minimum redundancy. Also rumours officers and senior onboard managers have been offered bonuses to stay on. That makes sense as although it will still be a shambles with experienced hands organising them it won't be as much of one.
 
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